10/09/2011

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1a.

Push email, notifications and multitasking????

Posted by: "Rich" thekellergroup@gmail.com   rkkeller8

Sun Oct 9, 2011 5:23 am (PDT)



I am getting an iPhone 4S and haven't used an iPhone since the 3GS

and I know a lot has to have changed since then in the iOS.

Last time I used the 3GS there was no push email, maybe yahoo was

added but no Gmail or anything else. Is there now push Gmail or

for other services? How does it work with Google contacts as all mine

are on Google Voice?

Notifications were all spread out before and it was sometimes hard to

find them all if you had a lot of apps. I see with iOS 5, there is a pull

down screen similar to how Android works. Is this how it works if any

one has used a Beta?

There was no multitasking of anything but built in Apple apps when I

last used the iPhone. I know now there is some kind of limited way of

multitasking certain things. Can someone point me in the right direction

to find a description of how it works or maybe can explain it?

Can't wait until Friday !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!

Rich

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1b.

Re: Push email, notifications and multitasking????

Posted by: "Bill Boulware" bill.boulware@gmail.com   boulware0224

Sun Oct 9, 2011 5:43 am (PDT)



Hey Rich, yes a lot has changed - I'll try and be brief

"iCloud" which is basically free MobileMe that works with your Apple ID
(whatever email address you use to purchase iTunes content and
apple.comitems) and comes with 5GB of storage (and unlimited space for
photos, etc).

The subset is that you can get a 'free' @me.com address that is associated
with your Apple ID (normal email address) but isn't a separate log in - it
is about 3 layers deep in iCloud settings - that is truly 'push'.

If you already have a @me.com address or a MobileMe account there is a
conversion web app that lets you maintain everything you already have,
including a year of 25GB of storage for paid MMe subscribers.

For Google Contacts, All Calendars, and "Push" G-Mail you set up the account
as "Exchange" using m.google.com as the server for Mail, Contacts, and
Calendars. Leaving this set to Push is still a battery drainer, setting it
for Fetch at 15 minutes uses far less battery than "Push" which is really
Exchange ActiveSync (really old protocol that connects to server constantly
polling for changes).

For those who only have G-Mail and 'owned' calendars (not shared or public)
you can use t he labeled "G-Mail" setup - this is only Fetch, the mail is
G-Mail specific but the calendar functions are limited and there is no
contact syncing - I think this is either a major flaw on Apple or Google -
they have the technology to "Push" all items - Android has it, so either
they aren't allowing Apple to use it or Apple doesn't bother - there is the
Exchange 'workaround' but I wish they would integrate with Google...

The notifications take the Android model and step it up a level - the UI is
much better and the notification system has it's own preferences - you can
set the order to show up (newest first, oldest first, alphabetical by App
name), the number of items per App, IE calendar can be limited to 1, 5, or
10 items, Phone can show you the past 1, 5 or 10 missed calls, etc. You can
also set each app to use the Lock Screen, The Notification System, the old
pop-up method or any combination. You can also clear each item from the
notification system or go directly to the app and the event from the lock
screen - big improvement over old system and small over Android.

The "Multitasking" is really freezing of apps - if you press the home button
twice the screen slides up and your 'running' apps are in the bottom 'tray'
- swiping left once lets you control the screen orientation and iTunes (or
whichever music app you are using, Pandora, Spotify, etc), swiping left
again lets you controls he volume and Airplay. Swiping right continues to
list all apps used since last time you cleaned them out. You do have to
occasionally tap/hold and x out all 'open' apps - even though they pause
themselves your phone will eventually get sluggish if you use many apps
infrequently. If you use the same say 10-15 apps all the time, leaving them
in the background will make launching faster and pick up right where you
left off.

Don't forget iMessage, which is Blackberry Messenger on hundreds of millions
of devices. It is lightning fast (at least with limited beta testers - I am
kind of anxious to see how it scales) and makes SMS/MMS seem like antiquated
1990s feature it is.

It is going to be quite a lot to go from a 3GS on 3.0 to a 4GS on 5.0 - not
only is the device going to be probably 4-8x faster, the software is going
to 'look' the same but have a ton more features to poke around. My latest
find was "Keyboard Shortcuts" which is like Text Expander for iOS - IE I
created one that translates 'cwf' to "Can't Wait to get my iPhone 4S and
download all of my favorite Apps!"

On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 08:23, Rich <thekellergroup@gmail.com> wrote:

> I am getting an iPhone 4S and haven't used an iPhone since the 3GS
>
> and I know a lot has to have changed since then in the iOS.
>
>
>
> Last time I used the 3GS there was no push email, maybe yahoo was
>
> added but no Gmail or anything else. Is there now push Gmail or
>
> for other services? How does it work with Google contacts as all mine
>
> are on Google Voice?
>
>
>
> Notifications were all spread out before and it was sometimes hard to
>
> find them all if you had a lot of apps. I see with iOS 5, there is a pull
>
> down screen similar to how Android works. Is this how it works if any
>
> one has used a Beta?
>
>
>
> There was no multitasking of anything but built in Apple apps when I
>
> last used the iPhone. I know now there is some kind of limited way of
>
> multitasking certain things. Can someone point me in the right direction
>
> to find a description of how it works or maybe can explain it?
>
>
>
> Can't wait until Friday !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> Wooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!
>
>
>
>
>
> Rich
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

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1c.

Re: Push email, notifications and multitasking????

Posted by: "Brent" flapdoodle@gmail.com   flapdoodle44

Sun Oct 9, 2011 5:53 am (PDT)



Nice write up, Bill. I am going to save it for review when iOS 5 arrives.

Brent

On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 7:43 AM, Bill Boulware <bill.boulware@gmail.com>wrote:

> **
>
>
> Hey Rich, yes a lot has changed - I'll try and be brief
>
> "iCloud" which is basically free MobileMe that works with your Apple ID
> (whatever email address you use to purchase iTunes content and
> apple.comitems) and comes with 5GB of storage (and unlimited space for
> photos, etc).
>
> The subset is that you can get a 'free' @me.com address that is associated
> with your Apple ID (normal email address) but isn't a separate log in - it
> is about 3 layers deep in iCloud settings - that is truly 'push'.
>
> If you already have a @me.com address or a MobileMe account there is a
> conversion web app that lets you maintain everything you already have,
> including a year of 25GB of storage for paid MMe subscribers.
>
> For Google Contacts, All Calendars, and "Push" G-Mail you set up the
> account
> as "Exchange" using m.google.com as the server for Mail, Contacts, and
> Calendars. Leaving this set to Push is still a battery drainer, setting it
> for Fetch at 15 minutes uses far less battery than "Push" which is really
> Exchange ActiveSync (really old protocol that connects to server constantly
> polling for changes).
>
> For those who only have G-Mail and 'owned' calendars (not shared or public)
> you can use t he labeled "G-Mail" setup - this is only Fetch, the mail is
> G-Mail specific but the calendar functions are limited and there is no
> contact syncing - I think this is either a major flaw on Apple or Google -
> they have the technology to "Push" all items - Android has it, so either
> they aren't allowing Apple to use it or Apple doesn't bother - there is the
> Exchange 'workaround' but I wish they would integrate with Google...
>
> The notifications take the Android model and step it up a level - the UI is
> much better and the notification system has it's own preferences - you can
> set the order to show up (newest first, oldest first, alphabetical by App
> name), the number of items per App, IE calendar can be limited to 1, 5, or
> 10 items, Phone can show you the past 1, 5 or 10 missed calls, etc. You can
> also set each app to use the Lock Screen, The Notification System, the old
> pop-up method or any combination. You can also clear each item from the
> notification system or go directly to the app and the event from the lock
> screen - big improvement over old system and small over Android.
>
> The "Multitasking" is really freezing of apps - if you press the home
> button
> twice the screen slides up and your 'running' apps are in the bottom 'tray'
> - swiping left once lets you control the screen orientation and iTunes (or
> whichever music app you are using, Pandora, Spotify, etc), swiping left
> again lets you controls he volume and Airplay. Swiping right continues to
> list all apps used since last time you cleaned them out. You do have to
> occasionally tap/hold and x out all 'open' apps - even though they pause
> themselves your phone will eventually get sluggish if you use many apps
> infrequently. If you use the same say 10-15 apps all the time, leaving them
> in the background will make launching faster and pick up right where you
> left off.
>
> Don't forget iMessage, which is Blackberry Messenger on hundreds of
> millions
> of devices. It is lightning fast (at least with limited beta testers - I am
> kind of anxious to see how it scales) and makes SMS/MMS seem like
> antiquated
> 1990s feature it is.
>
> It is going to be quite a lot to go from a 3GS on 3.0 to a 4GS on 5.0 - not
> only is the device going to be probably 4-8x faster, the software is going
> to 'look' the same but have a ton more features to poke around. My latest
> find was "Keyboard Shortcuts" which is like Text Expander for iOS - IE I
> created one that translates 'cwf' to "Can't Wait to get my iPhone 4S and
> download all of my favorite Apps!"
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 08:23, Rich <thekellergroup@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I am getting an iPhone 4S and haven't used an iPhone since the 3GS
> >
> > and I know a lot has to have changed since then in the iOS.
> >
> >
> >
> > Last time I used the 3GS there was no push email, maybe yahoo was
> >
> > added but no Gmail or anything else. Is there now push Gmail or
> >
> > for other services? How does it work with Google contacts as all mine
> >
> > are on Google Voice?
> >
> >
> >
> > Notifications were all spread out before and it was sometimes hard to
> >
> > find them all if you had a lot of apps. I see with iOS 5, there is a pull
> >
> > down screen similar to how Android works. Is this how it works if any
> >
> > one has used a Beta?
> >
> >
> >
> > There was no multitasking of anything but built in Apple apps when I
> >
> > last used the iPhone. I know now there is some kind of limited way of
> >
> > multitasking certain things. Can someone point me in the right direction
> >
> > to find a description of how it works or maybe can explain it?
> >
> >
> >
> > Can't wait until Friday !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> > Wooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Rich
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>

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1d.

Re: Push email, notifications and multitasking????

Posted by: "Rich" thekellergroup@gmail.com   rkkeller8

Sun Oct 9, 2011 6:17 am (PDT)



Thanks, was a great help. I am already downloading apps in iTunes and
getting updates and all that. I found an old iPhone dock that I hope will
still work on the 4S. I also saw that one of my Panasonic HDTV's has an
iPod/iPhone dock. I dug that up and looking at the manual I should be able
to play music, and look at photos and videos on it.

I am guessing :> all the Apple apps like facetime, imessage, mail will work
in the background? I am using Ping and Tango now on my Android but
going to switch to FT and iMessage if they work better.

Seems this version of the iPhone has a lot of my friends switching from
Android too so I won't have to use a lot of 3rd party apps to keep in touch.

Rich

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From: apple-iphone@yahoogroups.com [mailto:apple-iphone@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Bill Boulware
Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2011 8:43 AM
To: apple-iphone@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [apple-iphone] Push email, notifications and multitasking????

Hey Rich, yes a lot has changed - I'll try and be brief

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Re: Push email, notifications and multitasking????

Posted by: "Bill Boulware" bill.boulware@gmail.com   boulware0224

Sun Oct 9, 2011 6:31 am (PDT)



Yes all Apple Apps work in the background and iMessage is part of "Messages"
the SMS/MMS App - the only way you know the difference is iMessages are blue
and SMS are green - if for some reason iMessage fails (recipient doesn't
have data connection, etc) it will failover to SMS if it is to a phone
number. You can set your "Caller ID" as your e-mail address in order to
receive all messages on iPhone, iPad, iPod Touch, etc.

FaceTime like on a Mac runs in the background and also works as part of the
Phone App or by itself.

I will say that like all Apple products, they work better together - I
highly suggest an Apple TV as you can "push" content via Airplay with the
tap of the screen and the 4S as Wireless Screen mirroring like the iPad 2 so
you can see the entire screen on your TV. This is going to revolutionize
gaming - especially when it comes to the iPod Touch. Users can have iPhone,
iPod Touch, or iPad and all connect to an Apple TV and play multi-player
games, photo and video sharing, etc.

There are rumors of a new Apple TV with the now standard A5 processor, etc
but there isn't a guess.

On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 09:17, Rich <thekellergroup@gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks, was a great help. I am already downloading apps in iTunes and
> getting updates and all that. I found an old iPhone dock that I hope will
> still work on the 4S. I also saw that one of my Panasonic HDTV's has an
> iPod/iPhone dock. I dug that up and looking at the manual I should be able
> to play music, and look at photos and videos on it.
>
> I am guessing :> all the Apple apps like facetime, imessage, mail will work
> in the background? I am using Ping and Tango now on my Android but
> going to switch to FT and iMessage if they work better.
>
> Seems this version of the iPhone has a lot of my friends switching from
> Android too so I won't have to use a lot of 3rd party apps to keep in
> touch.
>
>
> Rich
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: apple-iphone@yahoogroups.com [mailto:apple-iphone@yahoogroups.com]
> On
> Behalf Of Bill Boulware
> Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2011 8:43 AM
> To: apple-iphone@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [apple-iphone] Push email, notifications and multitasking????
>
> Hey Rich, yes a lot has changed - I'll try and be brief
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

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2a.

Trade in at Best Buy

Posted by: "Jeff" jeffreyfort@mac.com   naviguesser74

Sun Oct 9, 2011 5:56 am (PDT)



Checked on ordering a 4S at Best Buy. I am eligible for upgrade after 15 months AND they will give me $271 for my 32GB 4. I'm in!

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Re: Trade in at Best Buy

Posted by: "Bill Boulware" bill.boulware@gmail.com   boulware0224

Sun Oct 9, 2011 6:04 am (PDT)



There are more and more "Buy Back" programs - Apple, AT&T, Verizon, Best
Buy, Gazelle, etc are all buying iPhones regardless of carrier. Even
Verizon is paying substantially more for an AT&T iPhone than a Verizon
iPhone for some reason. This might be the first year that I don't sell my
previous one only because I have a friend who bought two iPhone 4s last
year, the first was stolen and the second was lovingly placed in the toilet
by her 2 year old within 3 months of release so she has basically been using
the 3G since its release.

On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 08:50, Jeff <jeffreyfort@mac.com> wrote:

> Checked on ordering a 4S at Best Buy. I am eligible for upgrade after 15
> months AND they will give me $271 for my 32GB 4. I'm in!
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

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3.

Similar app for iPhone?

Posted by: "rkkeller8" thekellergroup@gmail.com   rkkeller8

Sun Oct 9, 2011 7:22 am (PDT)



I have been downloading the apps I have on my Android
and looking for iPhone alternatives and I can't find
one for this app.

http://www.amazon.com/Ben-Hirashima-Unlock-With-WiFi/dp/B0052O44EW

If you use a passcode lock and have wifi at home. When the app
detects your wifi name, it disables the lock while your there.
When you leave, the phone locks like normal again.

Rich

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What's your experience?

Posted by: "bkanne" radio.w4tga@gmail.com   bkanne

Sun Oct 9, 2011 9:15 am (PDT)



Now that we are being given even more choices of carriers for the 4S I am seeking input from those who have opted for CDMA vs GSM.

Do you miss or regret losing simultaneous data and voice? Was leaving this behind worth the more reliable coverage offered by Verizon? Are you considering going back to AT&T?

I'm thinking of those commercials when the 4 was launched and wordering if reality matches what was portrayed there.

Thanks for your responses,
Barry

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Re: What's your experience?

Posted by: "Barb Strate" aaaruba@gmail.com   aaaruba

Sun Oct 9, 2011 9:25 am (PDT)



Lol. I am leaving Sprint after 15 years to move completely to AT&T. We waited all these years for the iPhone - I even have a second account for the iPhone with at&t but planned to drop it once Sprint got the phone. But when I had to make the decision about which phone to purchase on Friday for my husband I decided to move all 4 sprint lines to AT&T. We have access to wifi most of the day so unlimited data was not so important to us. And frankly, I don't trust that Sprint will be able to keep any of the promises they are making based on their behavior over the last few months. I like AT&T. And I like the iPhone on AT&T.
Barb

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 9, 2011, at 12:05 PM, "bkanne" <radio.w4tga@gmail.com> wrote:

> Now that we are being given even more choices of carriers for the 4S I am seeking input from those who have opted for CDMA vs GSM.
>
> Do you miss or regret losing simultaneous data and voice? Was leaving this behind worth the more reliable coverage offered by Verizon? Are you considering going back to AT&T?
>
> I'm thinking of those commercials when the 4 was launched and wordering if reality matches what was portrayed there.
>
> Thanks for your responses,
> Barry
>
>

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Re: What's your experience?

Posted by: "Bill Boulware" bill.boulware@gmail.com   boulware0224

Sun Oct 9, 2011 9:26 am (PDT)



If you have decent AT&T service, I would stay at least until next year when
there is an LTE iPhone. Even without the HSDPA+, AT&T's 3G is much faster
than Verizon's 3G, you do have simultaneous voice and data, etc. Now if
there was a Verizon LTE option, that blows both out of the water. Speeds
are faster than most broadband connections, you get simultaneous everything
(voice, data, hotspot, etc).

On top of that you are likely grandfathered in on unlimited data on AT&T and
Sprint is the only one offering unlimited data for new subscribers.

On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 12:05, bkanne <radio.w4tga@gmail.com> wrote:

> Now that we are being given even more choices of carriers for the 4S I am
> seeking input from those who have opted for CDMA vs GSM.
>
> Do you miss or regret losing simultaneous data and voice? Was leaving this
> behind worth the more reliable coverage offered by Verizon? Are you
> considering going back to AT&T?
>
> I'm thinking of those commercials when the 4 was launched and wordering if
> reality matches what was portrayed there.
>
> Thanks for your responses,
> Barry
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

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Re: What's your experience?

Posted by: "rkkeller8" thekellergroup@gmail.com   rkkeller8

Sun Oct 9, 2011 10:00 am (PDT)





I would say stay with what you have if you have been happy
all this time. If not happy then try another provider.

I had ATT with the first three iPhones and hated it. So many
dropped calls, spotty coverage where I needed it, timmy sound
quality plus not once in 3 years with ATT did I ever make a
call and "really" need to use data that had to be done that
second. I only stayed as I wanted an iPhone.

Rich

--- In apple-iphone@yahoogroups.com, "bkanne" <radio.w4tga@...> wrote:
>
> Now that we are being given even more choices of carriers for the 4S I am seeking input from those who have opted for CDMA vs GSM.
>
> Do you miss or regret losing simultaneous data and voice? Was leaving this behind worth the more reliable coverage offered by Verizon? Are you considering going back to AT&T?
>
> I'm thinking of those commercials when the 4 was launched and wordering if reality matches what was portrayed there.
>
> Thanks for your responses,
> Barry
>

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Re: What's your experience?

Posted by: "Paul " paul.deyo@gmail.com   crewcheef

Sun Oct 9, 2011 10:14 am (PDT)



I had both ATT (iPhone) and Sprint(Blackberry) at the same time for nearly a year. There is no way I would move from ATT to Sprint
Paul

On Oct 9, 2011, at 12:24 PM, Barb Strate wrote:

> Lol. I am leaving Sprint after 15 years to move completely to AT&T. We waited all these years for the iPhone - I even have a second account for the iPhone with at&t but planned to drop it once Sprint got the phone. But when I had to make the decision about which phone to purchase on Friday for my husband I decided to move all 4 sprint lines to AT&T. We have access to wifi most of the day so unlimited data was not so important to us. And frankly, I don't trust that Sprint will be able to keep any of the promises they are making based on their behavior over the last few months. I like AT&T. And I like the iPhone on AT&T.
> Barb
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 9, 2011, at 12:05 PM, "bkanne" <radio.w4tga@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Now that we are being given even more choices of carriers for the 4S I am seeking input from those who have opted for CDMA vs GSM.
> >
> > Do you miss or regret losing simultaneous data and voice? Was leaving this behind worth the more reliable coverage offered by Verizon? Are you considering going back to AT&T?
> >
> > I'm thinking of those commercials when the 4 was launched and wordering if reality matches what was portrayed there.
> >
> > Thanks for your responses,
> > Barry
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

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Re: What's your experience?

Posted by: "Barb Strate" aaaruba@gmail.com   aaaruba

Sun Oct 9, 2011 10:41 am (PDT)



One more thing -- I have the Evo 4g and for a short while the Evo 3d. We have 4g where I live. I saw no real difference except that the battery wore down faster. The AT&T iPhone was always snappier. There have been a few places where sprint works but AT&T does not but nothing significant enough to make a difference. And I am sure this is different all over the country. I live in the NYC Tri-state area.

In addition, if you have the A list Sprint has nothing like that for the same cost. And no rollover minutes.

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 9, 2011, at 12:24 PM, Barb Strate <aaaruba@gmail.com> wrote:

> Lol. I am leaving Sprint after 15 years to move completely to AT&T. We waited all these years for the iPhone - I even have a second account for the iPhone with at&t but planned to drop it once Sprint got the phone. But when I had to make the decision about which phone to purchase on Friday for my husband I decided to move all 4 sprint lines to AT&T. We have access to wifi most of the day so unlimited data was not so important to us. And frankly, I don't trust that Sprint will be able to keep any of the promises they are making based on their behavior over the last few months. I like AT&T. And I like the iPhone on AT&T.
> Barb
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 9, 2011, at 12:05 PM, "bkanne" <radio.w4tga@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Now that we are being given even more choices of carriers for the 4S I am seeking input from those who have opted for CDMA vs GSM.
>>
>> Do you miss or regret losing simultaneous data and voice? Was leaving this behind worth the more reliable coverage offered by Verizon? Are you considering going back to AT&T?
>>
>> I'm thinking of those commercials when the 4 was launched and wordering if reality matches what was portrayed there.
>>
>> Thanks for your responses,
>> Barry
>>
>>

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Re: What's your experience?

Posted by: "Eric Payne" jericpayne@gmail.com   jasericpayne

Sun Oct 9, 2011 10:52 am (PDT)



Last February, we switched from AT&T to Verizon, tying ourselves into a
2-year contract, with a $300+ early termination fee.

February, 2012, we'll be switching back to AT&T.

Eric Payne
Lawrenceville, GA

bkanne wrote:
> Now that we are being given even more choices of carriers for the 4S I am seeking input from those who have opted for CDMA vs GSM.
>
> Do you miss or regret losing simultaneous data and voice? Was leaving this behind worth the more reliable coverage offered by Verizon? Are you considering going back to AT&T?
>
> I'm thinking of those commercials when the 4 was launched and wordering if reality matches what was portrayed there.
>
> Thanks for your responses,
> Barry
>
>
>
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Re: What's your experience?

Posted by: "Prokic Roger" rprokic@me.com   rprokic

Sun Oct 9, 2011 10:56 am (PDT)



Why are you switching back?

---
Roger Prokic

On Oct 9, 2011, at 4:52 PM, Eric Payne <jericpayne@gmail.com> wrote:

> Last February, we switched from AT&T to Verizon, tying ourselves into a
> 2-year contract, with a $300+ early termination fee.
>
> February, 2012, we'll be switching back to AT&T.
>
> Eric Payne
> Lawrenceville, GA
>
> bkanne wrote:
>> Now that we are being given even more choices of carriers for the 4S I am seeking input from those who have opted for CDMA vs GSM.
>>
>> Do you miss or regret losing simultaneous data and voice? Was leaving this behind worth the more reliable coverage offered by Verizon? Are you considering going back to AT&T?
>>
>> I'm thinking of those commercials when the 4 was launched and wordering if reality matches what was portrayed there.
>>
>> Thanks for your responses,
>> Barry

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Re: What's your experience?

Posted by: "Eric Payne" jericpayne@gmail.com   jasericpayne

Sun Oct 9, 2011 12:03 pm (PDT)



Cannot use web and talk at same time - limitation of network.

Voice quality for Verizon, in our area, is quite poor.

Though more areas with reception, much more frequent incidence of
dropped calls.

And a lot of times, there's a sudden "echo" in voice, both incoming and
outgoing, that is pretty annoying.

Eric Payne
Lawrenceville, GA

Prokic Roger wrote:
> Why are you switching back?
>
> ---
> Roger Prokic
>
>
> On Oct 9, 2011, at 4:52 PM, Eric Payne <jericpayne@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>> Last February, we switched from AT&T to Verizon, tying ourselves into a
>> 2-year contract, with a $300+ early termination fee.
>>
>> February, 2012, we'll be switching back to AT&T.
>>
>> Eric Payne
>> Lawrenceville, GA
>>
>> bkanne wrote:
>>
>>> Now that we are being given even more choices of carriers for the 4S I am seeking input from those who have opted for CDMA vs GSM.
>>>
>>> Do you miss or regret losing simultaneous data and voice? Was leaving this behind worth the more reliable coverage offered by Verizon? Are you considering going back to AT&T?
>>>
>>> I'm thinking of those commercials when the 4 was launched and wordering if reality matches what was portrayed there.
>>>
>>> Thanks for your responses,
>>> Barry
>>>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
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Re: What's your experience?

Posted by: "Pablo Morales" pablomorales71@gmail.com

Sun Oct 9, 2011 12:46 pm (PDT)



I have a question. How much AT&T charge monthly for a plan with iPhone 4?

----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul" <paul.deyo@gmail.com>
To: <apple-iphone@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2011 1:05 PM
Subject: Re: [apple-iphone] What's your experience?

I had both ATT (iPhone) and Sprint(Blackberry) at the same time for nearly a
year. There is no way I would move from ATT to Sprint
Paul

On Oct 9, 2011, at 12:24 PM, Barb Strate wrote:

> Lol. I am leaving Sprint after 15 years to move completely to AT&T. We
> waited all these years for the iPhone - I even have a second account for
> the iPhone with at&t but planned to drop it once Sprint got the phone. But
> when I had to make the decision about which phone to purchase on Friday
> for my husband I decided to move all 4 sprint lines to AT&T. We have
> access to wifi most of the day so unlimited data was not so important to
> us. And frankly, I don't trust that Sprint will be able to keep any of
> the promises they are making based on their behavior over the last few
> months. I like AT&T. And I like the iPhone on AT&T.
> Barb
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 9, 2011, at 12:05 PM, "bkanne" <radio.w4tga@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Now that we are being given even more choices of carriers for the 4S I
> > am seeking input from those who have opted for CDMA vs GSM.
> >
> > Do you miss or regret losing simultaneous data and voice? Was leaving
> > this behind worth the more reliable coverage offered by Verizon? Are you
> > considering going back to AT&T?
> >
> > I'm thinking of those commercials when the 4 was launched and wordering
> > if reality matches what was portrayed there.
> >
> > Thanks for your responses,
> > Barry

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Re: What's your experience?

Posted by: "bj" bjones44@verizon.net   jblair44

Sun Oct 9, 2011 12:57 pm (PDT)



-----Original Message-----
From: Eric Payne
Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2011 4:52 PM
To: apple-iphone@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [apple-iphone] What's your experience?

Last February, we switched from AT&T to Verizon, tying ourselves into a
2-year contract, with a $300+ early termination fee.

February, 2012, we'll be switching back to AT&T.
====================================

(Do you mean Feb 2010 as "last Feb"?)

Have you checked on the ET fees lately? I thought there was a new regulation
that they couldn't keep charging the whole fee anymore if you were well into
your contract; maybe there's some proration available.

I'm in DC & the only place around that I know for sure that VZ has a real
advantage is in the MetroRail tunnels -- some (but not all) of the stations
have upgraded service for more carriers now, & they're working on the
underground, but it's not done yet. I spend very little time on the subway &
don't much care -- but some people would.
bj

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Re: What's your experience?

Posted by: "bj" bjones44@verizon.net   jblair44

Sun Oct 9, 2011 12:57 pm (PDT)



Check their website; there are all sorts of plans & combinations available.
bj

-----Original Message-----
From: Pablo Morales
Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2011 3:34 PM
To: apple-iphone@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [apple-iphone] What's your experience?

I have a question. How much AT&T charge monthly for a plan with iPhone 4?

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Verizon and Sprint iPhone 4S and the limitations of CDMA

Posted by: "Brent" flapdoodle@gmail.com   flapdoodle44

Sun Oct 9, 2011 9:49 am (PDT)



Sent to you by Brent via Google Reader: Verizon and Sprint iPhone 4S
and the limitations of CDMA via TiPb - The #1 iPhone, iPad, and iPod
touch blog by Rene Ritchie on 10/8/11



iPhone 4S is the first iPhone to have both Verizon and Sprint CDMA
versions available alongside the AT&T GSM version. CDMA is famous for
its rock solid reliability and call quality and now that iPhone 4S is a
world phone, it can even roam on international GSM network. However,
CDMA brings with it some downsides as well, including lack of
simultaneous voice and data over 3G, subtle quirks to SMS, and greatly
reduced conference call options.

None of these are unique to iPhone 4S on Verizon or Sprint, but they���⒠��re
something to keep in mind if you���⒠��re thinking of switching to one of
those networks now that they have iPhone 4S.

So here���⒠��s the deal.



There are some great advantages to CDMA. It tends to need less towers
to cover greater areas so CDMA networks typically have better reception
in more places. This also means they tend to sound better, more often
for voice calls. If you use your iPhone as a phone ���⒠�� who knew? ���⒠�� and
that���⒠��s the most important thing to you, or if Verizon or Sprint provide
the only reliable coverage in your area, than case closed.

If cost is a factor, well we���⒠��ve already put together that breakdown for
you.

- AT&T vs. Verizon vs. Sprint: Which iPhone 4S should you choose?
But if you want to know what you���⒠��re getting into when it comes to the
data and conference calling tradeoffs, there are several things to
consider.

Note: We���⒠��ll be using a lot of tech terms, so see our wireless
networking guide for more on what all these acronyms mean.
Slower 3G data
iPhone 4S on AT&T and other GSM networks supports 14.4 Mbps HSPA+
download speeds. Depending on where you live, you may never get
anywhere near that speed in the real world, but the potential is there.

By contrast, while CDMA-2000 give Verizon and Sprint great voice, their
EV-DO rev A 3G data speeds are theoretically limited to about 3.1 Mbps.
No simultaneous voice and data
Verizon and Sprint���⒠��s EV-DO Rev. A network does not support simultaneous
voice and data the way HSPA and HSPA+ does for AT&T (and other GSM
carriers).

That means if a call comes in while you���⒠��re using 3G data ���⒠�� surfing the
web, Skyping, sharing your connection via personal hotspot ���⒠�� you can
either ignore the call and continue using 3G data, or answer the call
and effectively put your 3G data connection on ���⒠��pause���⒠��. If you���⒠��re on a
call you won���⒠��t receive email or push notifications and if you try to
surf the web or download an app you���⒠��ll be informed you���⒠��re not connected
to the 3G network. Once the call ends, 3G data reconnects and you can
start using the internet again.

If you���⒠��re on Wi-Fi as opposed to 3G data you can make calls and use
data without a problem. It���⒠��s only 3G data that cuts out during calls.

Verizon and Sprint have chosen not to roll out EV-DO Rev. B, which does
support simultaneous data in favor of more quickly deploying a 4G LTE
network (currently a hybrid CDMA-voice with LTE-data network, in the
future a Voice over LTE network) and WiMax with LTE to follow,
respectively. There are some phones that support Voice over Rev A
(VoRA) aka SVDO which will allow for simultaneous voice and data on
CDMA/EV-DO phones, but not the Verizon or Sprint iPhone. (See The Cell
Phone Junky for more on the technology.)
SMS/Text splitting
SMS/Text messages are limited to 160 characters. On AT&T and other GSM
iPhones, if a message exceeds 160 characters it will still be shown as
a single message to both the sender and receiver. On Verizon once an
SMS hits 160 characters, any additional text is split off into a second
message, after 320, a third message, etc. The same content is still
delivered, it���⒠��s just not presented as nicely. (In some cases the
message parts might even appear out of order which is even more
annoying.) Some users claim to seldom if ever experience this problem
in the real world, others say it happens often enough to annoy them.
Limited conference calling
Verizon and Sprint���⒠��s CDMA networks only supports ���⒠��3 way calling���⒠�� so you
can only enter into a conference call with up to 2 other people (3
including yourself) at the same time. It doesn���⒠��t matter if iPhone can
handle more, CSMA networks and hence the Verizon and Sprint iPhone is
limited to 3-way calling.

Likewise, handling conference calls is also more challenging on the
CDMA iPhones since you can���⒠��t take one party ���⒠��private���⒠�� or hang up on one
caller while keeping the other active. You can only hang up on all of
them at once.

Apple provides the following diagram in their knowledge base:


The network
So yes, overall there are a lot of limitations to the way CDMA handles
voice. However, if Verizon or Sprint has great coverage in your area,
you���⒠��re on Wi-Fi when you want to talk and surf, split SMS/Text messages
rarely happen or don���⒠��t bother you, and agile conference calling isn���⒠��t a
must-have business feature for your iPhone, you may not care.

Otherwise it���⒠��s a compromise. Decide what���⒠��s most important to you and
which carrier best provides it. If anything is a deal-breaker, then
that makes your choice much simpler.

For more information and help check out our iPhone 4S Forum.



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Which Carrier���⒠��s iPhone 4S Will Be the Fastest? [MAP]

Posted by: "Bill Boulware" bill.boulware@gmail.com   boulware0224

Sun Oct 9, 2011 11:59 am (PDT)



http://feeds.mashable.com/~r/Mashable/~3/1cWv3pZzp8k/

Sent to you by Bill Boulware via Google Reader: Which Carrier���⒠��s iPhone
4S Will Be the Fastest? [MAP] via Mashable! by Charlie White on 10/9/11





Want to look before you leap into an iPhone 4S? OpenSignalMaps used
46,600 speed tests from real-world users (ironically, using an Android
app) to find out where carriers are bringing the top speed, and where
they���⒠��re lagging behind the others.

As you can see in the map above, the iPhone 4S on AT&T will be the
speediest in 31 states in the U.S., with Verizon coming in a distant
second in 6 states. Sprint didn���⒠��t win any states at all. Those other
greyed-out states didn���⒠��t gather enough data for reliable results.

The researchers at OpenSignalMaps emphasize this doesn���⒠��t mean AT&T���⒠��s
network is the overall fastest, but that the iPhone 4S will perform
faster on that network (in certain states) than on the other two. Also
keep in mind ���⒠�� this data doesn���⒠��t take into account the frequency of
dropped calls.

Why did AT&T win this speed race? The company recently upgraded its
HSPA network to HSPA+, which has a faster theoretical upload and
download speed:







According to OpenSignalMaps���⒠�� crowdsourced results, that translates into
a real-world speed advantage.

SEE ALSO: iPhone 4S: 4 Reasons to Upgrade

One of the more useful parts of the OpenSignalMaps interactive page is
its service plan comparison tool, where you can set its filters on
which iPhone you���⒠��d like, which networks to compare, and amounts of talk
time, SMS, data and storage you want, and then compare prices.

Here, I���⒠��ve filtered the lowest-priced iPhone 4S plans, comparing their
pricing from each of the three carriers. In this example, you get what
you pay for ���⒠�� notice the reported slowest network, Sprint, comes out
with the lowest monthly price of $69.99:







To interactively drill down into the data state-by-state, compare the
various carriers, their service plans, the resale value of the phones,
as well as their upgrade and return policies, go to the OpenSignalMaps
site, where you can sift and filter the data yourself to find out
exactly which iPhone 4S is best for you.

iPhone 4S



The iPhone 4S looks and feels exactly like the iPhone 4.

Click here to view this gallery.

More About: att, iPhone 4S, OpenSignalMaps, sprint, verizon




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Re: Which Carrier���⒠��s iPhone 4S Will Be the Fastest? [MAP]

Posted by: "rkkeller8" thekellergroup@gmail.com   rkkeller8

Sun Oct 9, 2011 12:19 pm (PDT)



Sounds good until you hit 2 gb and they start to slow
down your data speed and/or your charged more for overages.

Rich

--- In apple-iphone@yahoogroups.com, Bill Boulware <bill.boulware@...> wrote:
>
> http://feeds.mashable.com/~r/Mashable/~3/1cWv3pZzp8k/
>
> Sent to you by Bill Boulware via Google Reader: Which Carrier���⒠��s iPhone
> 4S Will Be the Fastest? [MAP] via Mashable! by Charlie White on 10/9/11
>
>
>
>
>
> Want to look before you leap into an iPhone 4S? OpenSignalMaps used
> 46,600 speed tests from real-world users (ironically, using an Android
> app) to find out where carriers are bringing the top speed, and where
> they���⒠��re lagging behind the others.
>
> As you can see in the map above, the iPhone 4S on AT&T will be the
> speediest in 31 states in the U.S., with Verizon coming in a distant
> second in 6 states. Sprint didn���⒠��t win any states at all. Those other
> greyed-out states didn���⒠��t gather enough data for reliable results.
>
> The researchers at OpenSignalMaps emphasize this doesn���⒠��t mean AT&T���⒠��s
> network is the overall fastest, but that the iPhone 4S will perform
> faster on that network (in certain states) than on the other two. Also
> keep in mind ���⒠" this data doesn���⒠��t take into account the frequency of
> dropped calls.
>
> Why did AT&T win this speed race? The company recently upgraded its
> HSPA network to HSPA+, which has a faster theoretical upload and
> download speed:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> According to OpenSignalMaps���⒠�� crowdsourced results, that translates into
> a real-world speed advantage.
>
> SEE ALSO: iPhone 4S: 4 Reasons to Upgrade
>
> One of the more useful parts of the OpenSignalMaps interactive page is
> its service plan comparison tool, where you can set its filters on
> which iPhone you���⒠��d like, which networks to compare, and amounts of talk
> time, SMS, data and storage you want, and then compare prices.
>
> Here, I���⒠��ve filtered the lowest-priced iPhone 4S plans, comparing their
> pricing from each of the three carriers. In this example, you get what
> you pay for ���⒠" notice the reported slowest network, Sprint, comes out
> with the lowest monthly price of $69.99:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> To interactively drill down into the data state-by-state, compare the
> various carriers, their service plans, the resale value of the phones,
> as well as their upgrade and return policies, go to the OpenSignalMaps
> site, where you can sift and filter the data yourself to find out
> exactly which iPhone 4S is best for you.
>
> iPhone 4S
>
>
>
> The iPhone 4S looks and feels exactly like the iPhone 4.
>
> Click here to view this gallery.
>
> More About: att, iPhone 4S, OpenSignalMaps, sprint, verizon
>
>
>
>
> Things you can do from here:
> - Subscribe to Mashable! using Google Reader
> - Get started using Google Reader to easily keep up with all your
> favorite sites
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Re: [apple-iphone] Re: Which Carrier���⒠��s iPhone 4S Will Be the

Posted by: "Bill Boulware" bill.boulware@gmail.com   boulware0224

Sun Oct 9, 2011 12:32 pm (PDT)



Grandfathered Unlimited ;-). I have been paying $30/mo to both Verizon and
AT&T since 2007 just so when they inverted I would still have it. When I
upgraded my Verizon the Droid Bionic with LTE I blew through 2GB in the
first week. I purposefully kept WiFi turned off to make sure they didn't
limit my "Unlimited" - I got to 6GB to make sure then I started using WiFi
when available.

On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 15:19, rkkeller8 <thekellergroup@gmail.com> wrote:

> Sounds good until you hit 2 gb and they start to slow
> down your data speed and/or your charged more for overages.
>
>
> Rich
>
> --- In apple-iphone@yahoogroups.com, Bill Boulware <bill.boulware@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > http://feeds.mashable.com/~r/Mashable/~3/1cWv3pZzp8k/
> >
> > Sent to you by Bill Boulware via Google Reader: Which Carrier���⒠��s iPhone
> > 4S Will Be the Fastest? [MAP] via Mashable! by Charlie White on 10/9/11
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Want to look before you leap into an iPhone 4S? OpenSignalMaps used
> > 46,600 speed tests from real-world users (ironically, using an Android
> > app) to find out where carriers are bringing the top speed, and where
> > they���⒠��re lagging behind the others.
> >
> > As you can see in the map above, the iPhone 4S on AT&T will be the
> > speediest in 31 states in the U.S., with Verizon coming in a distant
> > second in 6 states. Sprint didn���⒠��t win any states at all. Those other
> > greyed-out states didn���⒠��t gather enough data for reliable results.
> >
> > The researchers at OpenSignalMaps emphasize this doesn���⒠��t mean AT&T���⒠��s
> > network is the overall fastest, but that the iPhone 4S will perform
> > faster on that network (in certain states) than on the other two. Also
> > keep in mind ���⒠" this data doesn���⒠��t take into account the frequency of
> > dropped calls.
> >
> > Why did AT&T win this speed race? The company recently upgraded its
> > HSPA network to HSPA+, which has a faster theoretical upload and
> > download speed:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > According to OpenSignalMaps���⒠�� crowdsourced results, that translates into
> > a real-world speed advantage.
> >
> > SEE ALSO: iPhone 4S: 4 Reasons to Upgrade
> >
> > One of the more useful parts of the OpenSignalMaps interactive page is
> > its service plan comparison tool, where you can set its filters on
> > which iPhone you���⒠��d like, which networks to compare, and amounts of talk
> > time, SMS, data and storage you want, and then compare prices.
> >
> > Here, I���⒠��ve filtered the lowest-priced iPhone 4S plans, comparing their
> > pricing from each of the three carriers. In this example, you get what
> > you pay for ���⒠" notice the reported slowest network, Sprint, comes out
> > with the lowest monthly price of $69.99:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > To interactively drill down into the data state-by-state, compare the
> > various carriers, their service plans, the resale value of the phones,
> > as well as their upgrade and return policies, go to the OpenSignalMaps
> > site, where you can sift and filter the data yourself to find out
> > exactly which iPhone 4S is best for you.
> >
> > iPhone 4S
> >
> >
> >
> > The iPhone 4S looks and feels exactly like the iPhone 4.
> >
> > Click here to view this gallery.
> >
> > More About: att, iPhone 4S, OpenSignalMaps, sprint, verizon
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Things you can do from here:
> > - Subscribe to Mashable! using Google Reader
> > - Get started using Google Reader to easily keep up with all your
> > favorite sites
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>
>
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>
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Re: what verizon told me

Posted by: "bj" bjones44@verizon.net   jblair44

Sun Oct 9, 2011 12:57 pm (PDT)



So, they'll sell you an iPhone 4, not the newer 4S, for the $149?
(what size are you getting?)

Just be clear on what you are getting -- they're not doing you any favors if
they're cutting the price on "last year's model"! I haven't kept up with
what model/size is going for what prices. And won't you still be locked into
a 2-year contract?
bj

-----Original Message-----
From: jay1price
Sent: Friday, October 07, 2011 8:55 PM
To: apple-iphone@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [apple-iphone] what verizon told me

I was able to get an iphone for $149.00,,instead of the regular$199.00,which
is fine by me.i was told unless i was going outside of the U.S. That the
iphone 4 is all i need.Verizon told me that,the proceser was faster,and the
camra,was 8mp instead of 5.i can live with the 5mp camra fine.jay

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