10/04/2011

[macsupport] Digest Number 8472

Messages In This Digest (25 Messages)

1a.
Re: Looking for Applescript help From: Mark Workman
2a.
Re: Why is Mission Control driving me crazy? From: pat412255
3a.
Re: Monitor resolution and font size From: Jurgen Richter
3b.
Re: Monitor resolution and font size From: DaveC
4a.
Re: iPhone 5 Appears Temporarily On Cinncinatti Bell Site From: Jim Saklad
4b.
Re: iPhone 5 Appears Temporarily On Cinncinatti Bell Site From: Jim Harry
4c.
Re: iPhone 5 Appears Temporarily On Cinncinatti Bell Site From: Harry Flaxman
4d.
Re: iPhone 5 Appears Temporarily On Cinncinatti Bell Site From: Bob Cook
4e.
Re: iPhone 5 Appears Temporarily On Cinncinatti Bell Site From: Jim Saklad
5a.
Re: Audio Players for non Mac Supported Format From: The Wizard who eats Gizards
5b.
Re: Audio Players for non Mac Supported Format From: Otto Nikolaus
5c.
Re: Audio Players for non Mac Supported Format From: Tod Hopkins
6a.
Mount Volume (was: Looking for Applescript help) From: DaveC
6b.
Re: Mount Volume (was: Looking for Applescript help) From: Alan Fry
7a.
Psystar at it again! From: Harry Flaxman
7b.
Re: Psystar at it again! From: N.A. Nada
7c.
Re: Psystar at it again! From: Harry Flaxman
7d.
Re: Psystar at it again! From: Randy B. Singer
7e.
Re: Psystar at it again! From: Andrew Buc
7f.
Re: Psystar at it again! From: Harry Flaxman
7g.
Re: Psystar at it again! From: Jim Saklad
8.
Very Strange Port Configuration! From: Harry Flaxman
9a.
Network connection error From: rupp5102
9b.
Re: Network connection error From: N.A. Nada
10a.
Re: External Hard drive back up From: raoullefere

Messages

1a.

Re: Looking for Applescript help

Posted by: "Mark Workman" workmam@kramergraphics.com   workmam

Mon Oct 3, 2011 6:12 am (PDT)



You could try this:

tell application "Finder"

if not exists (the disk "Remote_drive_name") then

mount volume "username@afp:192.168.1.1/sharename"

end tell

The "Remote_drive_name" is the name the drive would show up with on the
desktop. You probably have to have the Finder preference to show mount
drives on desktop checked on.

HTH

Mark Workman

> >We must have some members who can help. Why not give it a try?
> >
> >Otto
>
> OK:
>
> I am using a script to mount a volume. It tries to mount the volume,
> and if an error is returned, it mounts a different volume.
>
> The script works, but any error is reported to the users via a dialog
> and waits for input (clicking the "OK" button).
>
> I would like to expand the script to eliminate the displayed message
> and requirement for input from the user.
>
> The script is:
>
> try
> mount volume [pathname1 here] as user name "user1" with password "pw1"
> on error
> try
> mount volume [pathname2 here] as user name "user2" with
> password "pw2"
> end try
> end try
>
> How might I modify this so that it doesn't display the error and
> doesn't wait for input?
>
> If it matters, I'm using Snow Leopard.
>

I guess you want to connect to servers on your local network? So the
line might be something like:

mount volume "afp://HDname.local/username/
<afp://HDname.local/username/> " as user name "username" with password
"pword"

is that roughly right? And the problem arises when the remote machine is
off or asleep and the 'afp' server unavailable as a result? Then a
'Connection Failed' dialog appears which you have to dismiss by hand?

Sadly there is no way within AppleScript of suppressing that dialog. It
is just not possible. You can sometimes in AppleScript bracket a
function with 'ignoring application responses/end ignoring'. But if you
try that in this case it suppresses not only the dialog but the 'mount
volume' function as well.

I think the only way round the problem is to find out before using
'mount volume' if the the [pathname1] server is available or not. If it
is, then use it, if not, then test the [pathname2] server similarly. If
both servers are down then I suppose you would have to put up a dialog
to that effect and quit.

To the best of my knowledge there is no way of testing server
availability with AppleScript directly, but you can do it easily enough
with a shell script. I have tried this out here on my small network and
it is a feasible approach. In my case the remote 'afp' server here has a
numeric address (got from System Preferences/Sharing) of 192.168.2.3.
The line:

ping -c 1 192.168.2.3

returns '1 packets transmitted, 1 packets received, 0.0% packet loss' if
the server is up and '1 packets transmitted, 0 packets received, 100.0%
packet loss' if it is down.

The problem devolves then to one of extracting the packet loss figure
from the string returned by 'ping'. That could probably be done by
AppleScript (with some difficulty) but very easily by Perl. If it were
me I would do the whole job in Perl which is so much more
straightforward than AppleScript. Perl is of course part of the standard
MacOS install, so there are no problems arising from its use.

From Perl the shell script (ping) can be called directly, and the 'mount
volume' function called from MacPerl::DoAppleScript qq( script ).

That is probably going far enough since I may or may not have properly
understood your aim. If I have it would not be any great matter to write
a workable script ad I would be happy to help (on or off list as you
wish) if you would like to pursue this approach.

Anyway I hope these thoughts will be some help.

Alan Fry

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2a.

Re: Why is Mission Control driving me crazy?

Posted by: "pat412255" pat412@mac.com   pat412255

Mon Oct 3, 2011 6:30 am (PDT)



Right click the application icon in the dock, then choose Options. This lets you assign the application to a particular desktop.
Pat

--- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com, "DonaldC" <doncant@...> wrote:
>
> Do I totally misunderstand how Mission Control is supposed to work? I would hope that I could set up each desktop panel so that it would have some consistency, that is for example, Safari on desktop 1, Mail on desktop 2, Calendar on desktop 3, etc. - and that all would remain consistent. Even when I keep unchecked in System Prefs "Automatically rearrange spaces based on most recent use," the darn thing keeps switching my apps around. I know I must be doing something wrong - Apple couldn't be this foolish - but I just can't figure it out. My memory tells me that I didn't have such problems with Expose.
>

3a.

Re: Monitor resolution and font size

Posted by: "Jurgen Richter" yahoo-1@sympatico.ca   epsongroups

Mon Oct 3, 2011 6:54 am (PDT)



In short, bigger monitors have bigger pixels. They may have a few extra
pixels in case of a higher definition unit. Changing the monitor size
for bigger pixels is one solution, and decreasing the active resolution
in your system preferences / displays will also do that. It will also
decrease the real estate of how much you are able to see on your desktop.

3b.

Re: Monitor resolution and font size

Posted by: "DaveC" davec2468@yahoo.com   davec2468

Mon Oct 3, 2011 9:46 am (PDT)



I find that it's a trade-off between size and crispness. If you
change the resolution to one other than the maximum for that monitor
the text gets fuzzy. If the font is large enough it won't matter that
it's fuzzy, but if you're going incrementally from high resolution to
just a bit less, it can make the text more difficult to see.

Your experience may differ.

Dave

-=-=-=-

>In short, bigger monitors have bigger pixels. They may have a few extra
>pixels in case of a higher definition unit. Changing the monitor size
>for bigger pixels is one solution, and decreasing the active resolution
>in your system preferences / displays will also do that. It will also
>decrease the real estate of how much you are able to see on your desktop.
[Jurgen]

4a.

Re: iPhone 5 Appears Temporarily On Cinncinatti Bell Site

Posted by: "Jim Saklad" jimdoc@me.com   jimdoc01

Mon Oct 3, 2011 9:41 am (PDT)



> Looks like '4g' speeds will be a reality with this one!

4G is the fourth generation of cellular wireless standards. It is a successor to the 3G and 2G families of standards. In 2009, the ITU-R organization specified the IMT-Advanced (International Mobile Telecommunications Advanced) requirements for 4G standards, setting peak speed requirements for 4G service at 100 Mbit/s for high mobility communication (such as from trains and cars) and 1 Gbit/s for low mobility communication (such as pedestrians and stationary users).

No phone today or tomorrow has this capability.

What might reasonably be termed "3.5G" includes HSPA+ 21 Mbps. This is being advertised (improperly) as "4G".

--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Jim Saklad mailto:jimdoc@me.com

4b.

Re: iPhone 5 Appears Temporarily On Cinncinatti Bell Site

Posted by: "Jim Harry" jim.harry@harryfamily.com   jnharry

Mon Oct 3, 2011 4:43 pm (PDT)



On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 12:41 PM, Jim Saklad <jimdoc@me.com> wrote:

> > Looks like '4g' speeds will be a reality with this one!
> This is being advertised (improperly) as "4G".
>

How about 'FauxG'? :D

Jim H .

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4c.

Re: iPhone 5 Appears Temporarily On Cinncinatti Bell Site

Posted by: "Harry Flaxman" harry.flaxman@comcast.net   hflaxman001

Mon Oct 3, 2011 4:49 pm (PDT)



True, the term '4G' has been bastardized into meaning different things here in the states. I kind of blame it on the standards organization for being bullied into allowing the term to be used in a very loose sense.

Harry

On Oct 3, 2011, at 12:41 PM, Jim Saklad wrote:

> What might reasonably be termed "3.5G" includes HSPA+ 21 Mbps. This is being advertised (improperly) as "4G".

______________________
Harry Flaxman
harry.flaxman@comcast.net

4d.

Re: iPhone 5 Appears Temporarily On Cinncinatti Bell Site

Posted by: "Bob Cook" cookrd1@discoveryowners.com   cookrd1

Mon Oct 3, 2011 5:31 pm (PDT)



-Bob

Wonder what they will call it when "true" 4G gets here?

Big day tomorrow for Apple - give me LTE, Flash and at least a 4" screen,
and I will come back.

Crazy rumors online, can't wait for the big event. Hope Steve shows up as
rumored.

Bob

On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 7:49 PM, Harry Flaxman <harry.flaxman@comcast.net>wrote:

> **
>
>
> True, the term '4G' has been bastardized into meaning different things here
> in the states. I kind of blame it on the standards organization for being
> bullied into allowing the term to be used in a very loose sense.
>
>

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4e.

Re: iPhone 5 Appears Temporarily On Cinncinatti Bell Site

Posted by: "Jim Saklad" jimdoc@me.com   jimdoc01

Mon Oct 3, 2011 8:43 pm (PDT)



> Big day tomorrow for Apple - give me LTE, Flash and at least a 4" screen, and I will come back.

Bye, now....

--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Jim Saklad mailto:jimdoc@me.com

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

5a.

Re: Audio Players for non Mac Supported Format

Posted by: "The Wizard who eats Gizards" THEWIZARDOFAZ@COX.NET   wizardofaz2002

Mon Oct 3, 2011 10:07 am (PDT)



The appearance of the player is vital to me, at least to some extent. The functionality and appearance of iTunes is, for me at least, perfect. I have Songbird, but to me it's a toy in appearance. I don't care for it at all.
5b.

Re: Audio Players for non Mac Supported Format

Posted by: "Otto Nikolaus" otto.nikolaus@googlemail.com   nikyzf

Mon Oct 3, 2011 10:23 am (PDT)



I'm not sure if I know what you're after.

Are you happy with iTunes for playing iTunes-compatible files?

Have you tried VLC? This is a good player for just about anything but has a
basic interface.
<http://www.videolan.org/vlc/download-macosx.html>

Otto

On 3 October 2011 18:07, The Wizard who eats Gizards
<THEWIZARDOFAZ@cox.net>wrote:

> The appearance of the player is vital to me, at least to some extent. The
> functionality and appearance of iTunes is, for me at least, perfect. I have
> Songbird, but to me it's a toy in appearance. I don't care for it at all.
>

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5c.

Re: Audio Players for non Mac Supported Format

Posted by: "Tod Hopkins" hoplist@hillmanncarr.com   todhop

Mon Oct 3, 2011 5:10 pm (PDT)



Well, what makes iTunes iTunes is the way it simplifies dealing with audio files. And iTunes is so successful, it leaves almost no room for competition. Songbird can be "skinnned" changing it's look. If it looked more like iTunes by default, I think Apple might take them to court.

Though iTunes does not play everything, it will leave files in place it you wish. See Preferences, Advanced. And it can be tweaked to play more formats than one might think.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ITunes#File_format_support

Cheers,
tod

On Oct 3, 2011, at 1:07 PM, The Wizard who eats Gizards wrote:

> The appearance of the player is vital to me, at least to some extent. The functionality and appearance of iTunes is, for me at least, perfect. I have Songbird, but to me it's a toy in appearance. I don't care for it at all.
>
>

Tod Hopkins
Hillmann & Carr Inc.
todhopkins@hillmanncarr.com

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6a.

Mount Volume (was: Looking for Applescript help)

Posted by: "DaveC" davec2468@yahoo.com   davec2468

Mon Oct 3, 2011 11:02 am (PDT)



Hello Alan,
Thank you for the suggestions.

It turns out that pinging is the simplest way to avoid the file
system errors that are not easily ignored and require user input
before the script can continue. Since most small LANs are using
dynamically-assigned IP addresses, the easy around this is to simply
ping the share name:

ping "Mini1.local"

This way, ignorance of IP addresses is bliss. ;-)

Here is the script I ended up with.
The script pings the first Mac mini. If it is on-line, it mounts its
hard drive.
If the first Mac Mini is not on-line, the 2nd Mini is pinged. If it's
on-line, the script mounts its hard drive.
If neither Mac mini is on-line, an error is displayed on-screen.

The script avoids all file system errors which would halt the script
and wait for the user to click the "OK" button.

Dave
- - -
try # Ping the first mini. If ping succeeds, mount it.
do shell script "ping -c 4 Mini1.local" # <--- share name of
mini1; ping mini1 4 times. If no
pings returned, proceed to mini2.
mount volume "afp://Mini1._afpovertcp._tcp.local/MacHD1" as
user name "user1" with password "pw1"
on error
try # The first mini is off-line so we'll try the second mini.
do shell script "ping -c 4 Mini2.local" # <-- share
name of mini2; ping it 4 times.
If no pings returned, that's all folks.
mount volume
"afp://Mini2._afpovertcp._tcp.local/MacHD2" as user name "user2" with
password "pw2"
on error
# Neither mini is on-line.
beep
display dialog "Minis are off-line"
end try
end try
- - -

-=-=-=-

>The approach I suggested on the macsupport list (yesterday) works
>out very simply as a two line AppleScript containing a few lines of
>Perl. I think it does exactly what you want.
>
>I would be grateful if you would let mr know whether or not you are
>interested in pursuing this matter further.
>
>Alan Fry

6b.

Re: Mount Volume (was: Looking for Applescript help)

Posted by: "Alan Fry" ajf@afco.demon.co.uk   alanjohnfry

Tue Oct 4, 2011 4:21 am (PDT)




On 3 Oct 2011, at 19:02, DaveC wrote:

> Hello Alan,
> Thank you for the suggestions.
>
> It turns out that pinging is the simplest way to avoid the file
> system errors that are not easily ignored and require user input
> before the script can continue. Since most small LANs are using
> dynamically-assigned IP addresses, the easy around this is to simply
> ping the share name:
>
> ping "Mini1.local"
>
> This way, ignorance of IP addresses is bliss. ;-)
>

Good point.

I'm glad you have resolved your problems with the AppleScript.

Alan Fry

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

7a.

Psystar at it again!

Posted by: "Harry Flaxman" harry.flaxman@comcast.net   hflaxman001

Mon Oct 3, 2011 11:55 am (PDT)

7b.

Re: Psystar at it again!

Posted by: "N.A. Nada" whodo678@comcast.net

Mon Oct 3, 2011 4:04 pm (PDT)



Thanks for including the full URL, besides the abbreviated URL. I don't trust the abbreviated ones.

The lawyer is full of hot air.

And as a copyright holder myself, Psystar hasn't got a leg to stand on.

Brent

On Oct 3, 2011, at 11:55 AM, Harry Flaxman wrote:

>
> <http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9220430/Mac_clone_maker_may_take_fight_with_Apple_to_Supreme_Court?source=CTWNLE_nlt_os_2011-10-03&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+computerworld%2Fs%2Ffeed%2Ftopic%2F123+%28Computerworld+Mac+OS+News%29>
>
> or
>
> http://bit.ly/pg1mBY
>
> Interesting stuff!
>
> Harry
>
> ______________________
> Harry Flaxman
> harry.flaxman@comcast.net
>
>

7c.

Re: Psystar at it again!

Posted by: "Harry Flaxman" harry.flaxman@comcast.net   hflaxman001

Mon Oct 3, 2011 4:10 pm (PDT)



They keep trying though! Even if they win, I wonder how popular, and how many users would buy their product?

Had it been several years ago, I probably would have. I even owned a Pegasus II!!

Harry

On Oct 3, 2011, at 7:04 PM, N.A. Nada wrote:

> Thanks for including the full URL, besides the abbreviated URL. I don't trust the abbreviated ones.
>
> The lawyer is full of hot air.
>
> And as a copyright holder myself, Psystar hasn't got a leg to stand on.

______________________
Harry Flaxman
harry.flaxman@comcast.net

7d.

Re: Psystar at it again!

Posted by: "Randy B. Singer" randy@macattorney.com   randybrucesinger

Mon Oct 3, 2011 6:02 pm (PDT)




On Oct 3, 2011, at 11:55 AM, Harry Flaxman wrote:

> Interesting stuff!

Psystar and their counsel are delusional. They've already lost any
chance that they had. They don't have an automatic right to go to
the U.S. Supreme Court, the court would have to accept the case.
Since Psystar has lost every single step of the way, and there is no
real constitutional controversy here that begs to be resolved, I'd be
willing to bet anything that the Supreme Court won't entertain taking
this case for a second.

___________________________________________
Randy B. Singer
Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions)

Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance
http://www.macattorney.com/ts.html
___________________________________________

7e.

Re: Psystar at it again!

Posted by: "Andrew Buc" andrewbuc@staxman.net   andrewbuc

Mon Oct 3, 2011 6:41 pm (PDT)



Why would anyone even want a FrankenMac?

7f.

Re: Psystar at it again!

Posted by: "Harry Flaxman" harry.flaxman@comcast.net   hflaxman001

Mon Oct 3, 2011 6:58 pm (PDT)



Probably the same reason I bought an Amiga when it came out, a Pegasos II when it came out. Both of those were Franken"putters". I loved the fact that I could run 3 or 4 different OS' pretty darned close to 100% of what the original machine's ran them as.

I was a fool for all of those machines! I swore the Commodore was going to take over the world! :) Moved from Apple to CBM when Amy came out.

Harry

On Oct 3, 2011, at 9:40 PM, Andrew Buc wrote:

> Why would anyone even want a FrankenMac?
>
______________________
Harry Flaxman
harry.flaxman@comcast.net

7g.

Re: Psystar at it again!

Posted by: "Jim Saklad" jimdoc@me.com   jimdoc01

Mon Oct 3, 2011 8:50 pm (PDT)



> Probably the same reason I bought an Amiga when it came out, a Pegasos II when it came out. Both of those were Franken"putters". I loved the fact that I could run 3 or 4 different OS' pretty darned close to 100% of what the original machine's ran them as.
>
> I was a fool for all of those machines! I swore the Commodore was going to take over the world! :) Moved from Apple to CBM when Amy came out.
>
> Harry

In the late '80's, until Irving Gould and Mehdi Ali ran CBM into the ground, the Amiga was clearly a better computer than the Mac.

I ran an Emplant Macintosh hardware/software emulator in my A4000, and it simulated a 68040 Mac with faster benchmarks than the comparable Mac. While also running AmigaDOS.

The difference is that Commodore's management was trying to extract as much money as possible from the company, while Apple's management was actually, despite a raft of bad decisions from 1985 to 1997, still trying to sell computers.

--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Jim Saklad mailto:jimdoc@me.com

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8.

Very Strange Port Configuration!

Posted by: "Harry Flaxman" harry.flaxman@comcast.net   hflaxman001

Mon Oct 3, 2011 4:16 pm (PDT)



Just got my Mac back today after spending a few days at the Apple store. I'm kind of absent minded from time to time, but never this much-- I plugged my Creature III speakers into the headphone/audio out port. They came on, distorted bass, and cut off. After a couple of times, I managed to figure out that there was a problem with the cable. In the interim, I attached earbuds to the same port. They worked flawlessly. I put the speakers aside for now.

Later on, for the heck of it, I plugged the speakers into what is supposed to be the audio in port-- and I double checked manuals online and the physical one I have. The speakers worked!!! They are still working!

I don't have any clue as to why they work there and not in the audio out port, as the earbuds do.

Problem is, I could have sworn I had the speakers plugged into the proper audio out port.

Time to return to the Apple store, I think!

Harry

______________________
Harry Flaxman
harry.flaxman@comcast.net

9a.

Network connection error

Posted by: "rupp5102" rupp5102@yahoo.com   rupp5102

Mon Oct 3, 2011 6:11 pm (PDT)



I am repeatedly getting an error message that says my network settings have changed and it won't let me connect to the internet. I'm visiting family and using their wireless internet.

My MacBook Pro kicks me off the internet multiple times a day and when I try to log in, it gives me the message above. I have to reenter the network password each time. I elect 'remember in keychain' but it doesn't.

The computer also isn't recognizing my email stmp. I can receive emails from my .mac account but I can't send any.

Thanks.

9b.

Re: Network connection error

Posted by: "N.A. Nada" whodo678@comcast.net

Tue Oct 4, 2011 1:17 am (PDT)



I think you have two issues.

The error message and the having to re-enter are probably that you are a guest on someone else's network. If it is a short visit, live with it. If it will be a long visit, their network setting may need a change.

As to your email not working, your ISP may not allow you to send emails through it from someone else's ISP. You might be able to get other settings from your ISP to do this. OR you could just use web mail.

On Oct 3, 2011, at 6:11 PM, rupp5102 wrote:

> I am repeatedly getting an error message that says my network settings have changed and it won't let me connect to the internet. I'm visiting family and using their wireless internet.
>
> My MacBook Pro kicks me off the internet multiple times a day and when I try to log in, it gives me the message above. I have to reenter the network password each time. I elect 'remember in keychain' but it doesn't.
>
> The computer also isn't recognizing my email stmp. I can receive emails from my .mac account but I can't send any.

10a.

Re: External Hard drive back up

Posted by: "raoullefere" raoullefere@yahoo.com   raoullefere

Mon Oct 3, 2011 6:36 pm (PDT)





--- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com, Daly Jessup <jessup@...> wrote:
>
>
> On Oct 2, 2011, at 4:24 PM, Randy B. Singer wrote:
> > The thing to do is to check out the user reviews and go for a case
> > that users have found to be really reliable, especially long-term.
> > (Many cases only give up after 6 months to a year.) The problem is
> > that the reliable case kits, especially those that include FW800, are
> > ridiculously expensive. That's why I've been recommending assembled
> > external drives from Other World Computing lately. Their external
> > drives are both reliable and reasonably priced. I can only assume
> > (hope?) that their external case kits are just as reliable as the
> > cases that they use for their assembled external hard drives.
>
> I have been running a 2 GB Enterprise class Seagate 2 TN drive for about seven months without a hint of a problem. It is in an OWC Mercury Elite AL Pro enclosure.
>
> For about two years I have also been running two 1-TB drives (also Seagate but not "Enterprise class") in a wonderful WiebeTech dual-tray enclosure.
>
> All of this was quite expensive, but I think worth it. I HIGHLY recommend WiebeTech as a source of enclosures, if you have a little extra cash to spend.
>
> Daly
>
I checked out WiebeTech's site. Their base enclosure only runs about thirty bucks more than this thing I have that just died. So if I get a refund instead of a repair, I may try them. I've never heard of them before this, though, so thanks, and to Randy, too. At least now I know what the issue is.

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