Messages In This Digest (18 Messages)
- 1a.
- Re: Migrating files to new computer From: James Robertson
- 1b.
- Re: Migrating files to new computer From: vixpix
- 1c.
- Re: Migrating files to new computer From: Tod Hopkins
- 2a.
- Re: Directories From: James Robertson
- 2b.
- Re: Directories From: Tod Hopkins
- 2c.
- Re: Directories From: Jim Smith
- 2d.
- Re: Directories From: James Robertson
- 2e.
- Re: Directories From: Otto Nikolaus
- 2f.
- Re: Directories From: Harry Flaxman
- 2g.
- Re: Directories From: Denver Dan
- 2h.
- Re: Directories From: Harry Flaxman
- 2i.
- Re: Directories From: Jim Saklad
- 2j.
- Re: Directories From: Harry Flaxman
- 2k.
- Re: Directories From: N.A. Nada
- 3a.
- Re: Hard drive question From: Otto Nikolaus
- 3b.
- Re: Hard drive question From: Jim Saklad
Messages
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Re: Migrating files to new computer
Posted by: "James Robertson" jamesrob@sonic.net jamesrob328i
Mon Nov 14, 2011 4:24 pm (PST)
On Nov 14, 2011, at 3:47 PM, vixpix wrote:
> I'm trying to transfer everything from one iMac to another using Migration Assistant. I'm having a problem with an error message stating there is not enough room on the disk drive to migrate everything. However, if I migrate using an account I only used for testing, it has enough room.
>
> How difficult is it to copy my regular user account over manually once the migration is complete?
Vickie,
Do you have any enormous files in the account you're trying to migrate (Fusion or Parallels virtual machines, for example?
I just discovered that although there seemed to be enough room in my Lion boot volume for everything I was trying to import, I got the same message when attempting to do the migration.
iDefrag reported that although I didn't have that much fragmentation, there were small file fragments in the very middle of my free space. Once I fragmented the drive, I could move my 60 Gigabyte virtual machine file into the new Lion partition with no trouble.
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Jim Robertson
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Re: Migrating files to new computer
Posted by: "vixpix" vixpix@frontiernet.net nyskater
Mon Nov 14, 2011 4:32 pm (PST)
Really? Maybe I should give that a try. I do have Parallels.
Thanks!
Vickie
Sent from a spoiled little iPad
On Nov 14, 2011, at 7:24 PM, James Robertson <jamesrob@sonic.net > wrote:
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> On Nov 14, 2011, at 3:47 PM, vixpix wrote:
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>> I'm trying to transfer everything from one iMac to another using Migration Assistant. I'm having a problem with an error message stating there is not enough room on the disk drive to migrate everything. However, if I migrate using an account I only used for testing, it has enough room.
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>> How difficult is it to copy my regular user account over manually once the migration is complete?
>
> Vickie,
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> Do you have any enormous files in the account you're trying to migrate (Fusion or Parallels virtual machines, for example?
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> I just discovered that although there seemed to be enough room in my Lion boot volume for everything I was trying to import, I got the same message when attempting to do the migration.
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> iDefrag reported that although I didn't have that much fragmentation, there were small file fragments in the very middle of my free space. Once I fragmented the drive, I could move my 60 Gigabyte virtual machine file into the new Lion partition with no trouble.
>
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Re: Migrating files to new computer
Posted by: "Tod Hopkins" hoplist@hillmanncarr.com todhop
Mon Nov 14, 2011 4:37 pm (PST)
Pretty much impossible. You can copy the data, and a lot of the info, but you can't (easily) copy the actual "user." However, when you use Migration Assistant, it allows you to select what part of a user to move and, I believe, it shows you how much room will be required based on your selections. You might want to work with this to figure out what's causing the space problem. Maybe you just don't need it.
Cheers,
tod
On Nov 14, 2011, at 6:47 PM, vixpix wrote:
> I'm trying to transfer everything from one iMac to another using Migration Assistant. I'm having a problem with an error message stating there is not enough room on the disk drive to migrate everything. However, if I migrate using an account I only used for testing, it has enough room.
>
> How difficult is it to copy my regular user account over manually once the migration is complete?
>
> Vickie
>
> Sent from a spoiled little iPad
>
>
Tod Hopkins
Hillmann & Carr Inc.
todhopkins@hillmanncarr.com
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Re: Directories
Posted by: "James Robertson" jamesrob@sonic.net jamesrob328i
Mon Nov 14, 2011 4:33 pm (PST)
On Nov 14, 2011, at 3:24 PM, Jeannie wrote:
> Actually, I did do that in SN, and I never let anyone, except my husband, and even him very rarely on my computer, and I never did as well with my PCS.
I discovered that myself. I just assumed (wrongly) that things were the same in Snow Leopard as they are in Lion. I think Lion's restriction makes oodles of sense, for all the reasons I and others have stated, even if it's possible to put files and folders at the root level in earlier versions of the OS).
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Jim Robertson
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Re: Directories
Posted by: "Tod Hopkins" hoplist@hillmanncarr.com todhop
Mon Nov 14, 2011 4:35 pm (PST)
On Nov 14, 2011, at 2:22 PM, James Robertson wrote:
> Actually, I'm pretty certain you didn't do that in Snow Leopard (or Windows), unless when you set up the Mac you created yourself as an admin user and ignored the advice to create a password to gain access to the machine.
Of course he did. Almost every user who exerts any control whatsoever choses an admin user. Windows limited users are crap. Mac limited users are only slightly less frustrating.
Frankly, I only implemented limited users on my Macs this year (I admin a dozen of them) and I question the wisdom thereof. In a professional environment with a bunch of savvy grown-ups used to having control, limited users are a hassle of questionable value.
But that's not the point of this thread...
Can you create an admin user in Lion or not? If so, go to your preferences and give your user "admin" privileges and set a decent password. You will be fine. Limited users are for IT people who need to control their user base. If you own the machine and are the admin, go ahead and run under an admin user.
By the way, under SL if you are running limited, you cannot create a folder at the root because you are not the "owner," but you can create a folder one level down inside a folder you created with admin privileges. And there are many other work arounds. For any external drive, you can turn off permissions completely in the Get Info properties. I do this on all external hard drives.
cheers,
tod
Tod Hopkins
Hillmann & Carr Inc.
todhopkins@hillmanncarr.com
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Re: Directories
Posted by: "Jim Smith" jas1931@gmail.com jimmacsmith
Mon Nov 14, 2011 4:43 pm (PST)
With all the talk about 'sandboxing' things may get worse/better. As the file system is surely to be less flexible. We should all get use to doing things correctly (in Apple opinion).
Jim Smith
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On Nov 14, 2011, at 7:33 PM, James Robertson wrote:
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> On Nov 14, 2011, at 3:24 PM, Jeannie wrote:
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>> Actually, I did do that in SN, and I never let anyone, except my husband, and even him very rarely on my computer, and I never did as well with my PCS.
>
> I discovered that myself. I just assumed (wrongly) that things were the same in Snow Leopard as they are in Lion. I think Lion's restriction makes oodles of sense, for all the reasons I and others have stated, even if it's possible to put files and folders at the root level in earlier versions of the OS).
>
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> Jim Robertson
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Re: Directories
Posted by: "James Robertson" jamesrob@sonic.net jamesrob328i
Mon Nov 14, 2011 4:56 pm (PST)
On Nov 14, 2011, at 4:34 PM, Tod Hopkins wrote:
> Can you create an admin user in Lion or not? If so, go to your preferences and give your user "admin" privileges and set a decent password. You will be fine. Limited users are for IT people who need to control their user base. If you own the machine and are the admin, go ahead and run under an admin user.
You're correct, and I misstated. As virtually every other Mac user does, I always set up my Macs with me as the Admin user. I do set up young children with "regular" accounts.
Even with an admin user account, in Lion I cannot create a folder at the root level without entering my admin PW.
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Jim Robertson
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Re: Directories
Posted by: "Otto Nikolaus" otto.nikolaus@googlemail.com nikyzf
Mon Nov 14, 2011 5:06 pm (PST)
On 15 November 2011 00:18, James Robertson <jamesrob@sonic.net > wrote:
> However, the same dialog says I can change permissions on the file to
> enable saving to that location. I'm assuming that if I did so, the file
> would be available to every user.
>
I'm not sure if that's the case, but if it is, what is the point of the
*Shared* user space?
Otto
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Re: Directories
Posted by: "Harry Flaxman" harry.flaxman@comcast.net hflaxman001
Mon Nov 14, 2011 5:10 pm (PST)
The file/folder that you change will only be available to those users or that user that you choose to add. It may be read read/write no access, or dropbox type available.
Permissions and ownership go hand in hand as well, however, there are many possible combinations yielding different results.
Take care when altering these. Should you choose to, I would do it temporarily and then ensure that you reset the permissions/ownership back to what it was.
Harry
On Nov 14, 2011, at 8:06 PM, Otto Nikolaus wrote:
> On 15 November 2011 00:18, James Robertson <jamesrob@sonic.net > wrote:
>
>
>> However, the same dialog says I can change permissions on the file to
>> enable saving to that location. I'm assuming that if I did so, the file
>> would be available to every user.
>>
>
> I'm not sure if that's the case, but if it is, what is the point of the
> *Shared* user space?
>
> Otto
Harry Flaxman
harry.flaxman@comcast.net
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Re: Directories
Posted by: "Denver Dan" denver.dan@verizon.net denverdan22180
Mon Nov 14, 2011 5:45 pm (PST)
Howdy.
"doing things correctly" is what Apple has been trying to nudge Mac
users toward since the introduction of Mac OS X in 2001.
Having done a lot of troubleshooting and a lot of system re-installs
for a lot of people over the years I can attest to having found users
saved files in every nook and cranny possible.
I've found Quark files in the OS X System:Fonts folder.
I've found files saved all over the place mostly because folks hadn't
figured out how File open/save/save as dialog boxes worked and didn't
understand the hierarchical structure of folders and files on a hard
drive.
So a preset and installed user account file system structure is a
welcome thing IMO.
Lion is another nudge toward a more responsible Folder/File system for
users.
Other steps have been introduced in various iterations of Mac OS X
including the requirement to authenticate as an Admin user before
removing files from certain folders.
Denver Dan
On Mon, 14 Nov 2011 19:43:39 -0500, Jim Smith wrote:
> With all the talk about 'sandboxing' things may get worse/better. As
> the file system is surely to be less flexible. We should all get use
> to doing things correctly (in Apple opinion).
>
> Jim Smith - 2h.
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Re: Directories
Posted by: "Harry Flaxman" harry.flaxman@comcast.net hflaxman001
Mon Nov 14, 2011 5:59 pm (PST)
It's funny you should mention this. Not since then have I done so many reinstalls as with Lion. I have done 3 to date. I have made a second bootable partition with 10.6 on it, only to have it operate so smoothly, that I decided to go ahead an upgrade it to 10.7. Then things went south. I wound up having to reinstall 10.6 and then 10.7 again. I am so tired of the process that I have decided to stay at 10.6.8 at this point.
To me, it was a mistake to shell out the 30 bucks and upgrade.
Harry
On Nov 14, 2011, at 8:44 PM, Denver Dan wrote:
> "doing things correctly" is what Apple has been trying to nudge Mac
> users toward since the introduction of Mac OS X in 2001.
>
> Having done a lot of troubleshooting and a lot of system re-installs
> for a lot of people over the years I can attest to having found users
> saved files in every nook and cranny possible.
Harry Flaxman
harry.flaxman@comcast.net
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Re: Directories
Posted by: "Jim Saklad" jimdoc@me.com jimdoc01
Mon Nov 14, 2011 6:26 pm (PST)
> It's funny you should mention this. Not since then have I done so many reinstalls as with Lion. I have done 3 to date. I have made a second bootable partition with 10.6 on it, only to have it operate so smoothly, that I decided to go ahead an upgrade it to 10.7. Then things went south. I wound up having to reinstall 10.6 and then 10.7 again. I am so tired of the process that I have decided to stay at 10.6.8 at this point.
I have lost track of the number of times I've installed Lion, since I was testing it during the seed program.
The only time I had any trouble with it was the very first.
> To me, it was a mistake to shell out the 30 bucks and upgrade.
To me it's been a win from day 2.
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Re: Directories
Posted by: "Harry Flaxman" harry.flaxman@comcast.net hflaxman001
Mon Nov 14, 2011 6:29 pm (PST)
Yup, developmental testing was one thing. The public release is quite another. I am experiencing a degrading of the entire system within days of bringing it online. This did not happen during the beta phase.
I've kept up with maintenance, not overdoing it. I do still have a partition where it is freshly installed, and I use it occasionally.
I'll be interested in seeing how it fares. My main work is not there anymore, though.
Harry
On Nov 14, 2011, at 9:26 PM, Jim Saklad wrote:
>> It's funny you should mention this. Not since then have I done so many reinstalls as with Lion. I have done 3 to date. I have made a second bootable partition with 10.6 on it, only to have it operate so smoothly, that I decided to go ahead an upgrade it to 10.7. Then things went south. I wound up having to reinstall 10.6 and then 10.7 again. I am so tired of the process that I have decided to stay at 10.6.8 at this point.
>
> I have lost track of the number of times I've installed Lion, since I was testing it during the seed program.
>
> The only time I had any trouble with it was the very first.
>
>> To me, it was a mistake to shell out the 30 bucks and upgrade.
>
> To me it's been a win from day 2.
>
> --
Harry Flaxman
harry.flaxman@comcast.net
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Re: Directories
Posted by: "N.A. Nada" whodo678@comcast.net
Mon Nov 14, 2011 9:10 pm (PST)
On Nov 14, 2011, at 9:22 AM, Jeannie wrote:
> Can someone explain why this system is on Macs, and why Lion insists I use
> either a password, or use my home directory. At least now, thanks to this
> group, I know what it is, and how to get to it.
Because they want you not to foul up the OS and to put them in the user area. The User folders, in particular the Home folder are where back up software is going to look for your stuff.
It is the same on Windows computers.
Brent
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Re: Hard drive question
Posted by: "Otto Nikolaus" otto.nikolaus@googlemail.com nikyzf
Mon Nov 14, 2011 4:56 pm (PST)
Terminal (Unix Command Line Interface) is an app in Applications >
Utilities.
Otto
On 15 November 2011 00:16, Robert Lenhart <roblenhart@earthlink.net > wrote:
> I use Time Capsule for internet connection and external backup drive so
> the MacBook is always connected to the external drive. I just went into
> Time Capsule and confirmed a backup (the last one) was done at 6:23PM today.
>
> I forgot to mention I've only noticed my problem started occurring when I
> upgraded TC from 7.52 to 7.6.
>
> In any case where do I find Terminal so I can stop this.
>
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Re: Hard drive question
Posted by: "Jim Saklad" jimdoc@me.com jimdoc01
Mon Nov 14, 2011 6:18 pm (PST)
> I use Time Capsule for internet connection and external backup drive so the MacBook is always connected to the external drive. I just went into Time Capsule and confirmed a backup (the last one) was done at 6:23PM today.
If you are always connected to the TC, then I don't understand why it would be writing backups, even temporary ones, to the internal drive.
> In any case where do I find Terminal so I can stop this.
./Applications/Utilities/ Terminal
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Re: 3
Posted by: "Denver Dan" denver.dan@verizon.net denverdan22180
Mon Nov 14, 2011 5:50 pm (PST)
Howdy.
Time Machine by default backs up everything.
To exclude things from back up you open Time Machine panel in System
Preferences and click the Options button.
A drop down card appears labeled "Exclude these items from backups"
Drag a file or a folder or a drive icon to this drop down card (or use
the Plus button to navigate to and select the item) and it won't be
backed up.
As a side note, there is a similar feature in the Spotlight panel.
It's called the Privacy tab. Add an item to it if you don't wan't
Spotlight to index it.
Denver Dan
On Mon, 14 Nov 2011 15:02:51 -0700, Jeannie wrote:
> I don't know. How would I tell. I would want every folder to be backed up
> while I was working on them.
>
> Jeannie
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Re: 3
Posted by: "Christopher Collins" maclist@analogdigital.com.au cjc1959au
Tue Nov 15, 2011 1:20 am (PST)
It's true in any OS, no matter what it's basic structure.
Vista & Win7 have made it easier for users to start from their home folder.
So, yes, you still can even in Vista & 7.
But you shouldn't!
Any folder you create for your files should be created within your home folder.
cjc
On 15/11/2011, at 8:11 AM, Otto Nikolaus wrote:
> Thanks. Is that still true in Vista and Win7?
>
> Otto
>
> On 14 November 2011 21:07, Christopher Collins <maclist@analogdigital.com.au
> > wrote:
>
> > Anywhere one likes Otto.
> >
> > You shouldn't but you can!
> >
>
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