Messages In This Digest (25 Messages)
- 1.1.
- Re: I lost my documents on desktop From: OBrien
- 1.2.
- Re: I lost my documents on desktop From: Denver dan
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- Re: I lost my documents on desktop From: Bekah
- 1.4.
- Re: I lost my documents on desktop From: Harry Flaxman
- 1.5.
- Re: I lost my documents on desktop From: Forrest Leedy
- 1.6.
- Re: I lost my documents on desktop From: Harry Flaxman
- 1.7.
- Re: I lost my documents on desktop From: Jim Saklad
- 1.8.
- Re: I lost my documents on desktop From: Jim Saklad
- 1.9.
- Re: I lost my documents on desktop From: Terry Pogue
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- Re: I lost my documents on desktop From: Bekah
- 1.11.
- Re: I lost my documents on desktop From: OBrien
- 1.12.
- Re: I lost my documents on desktop From: Harry Flaxman
- 1.13.
- Re: I lost my documents on desktop From: Harry Flaxman
- 1.14.
- Re: I lost my documents on desktop From: Jim Saklad
- 1.15.
- Re: I lost my documents on desktop From: Jim Saklad
- 1.16.
- Re: I lost my documents on desktop From: OBrien
- 1.17.
- Re: I lost my documents on desktop From: Jim Saklad
- 1.18.
- Re: I lost my documents on desktop From: Jim Saklad
- 2.
- Apple's Black Friday 2011 deals revealed: discounts on iPad, From: Bill Boulware
- 3a.
- Re: Mail suddenly slow From: Michael P. Stupinski
- 4a.
- Re: Trojan Horse "DevilRobber" From: Tod Hopkins
- 4b.
- Re: Trojan Horse "DevilRobber" From: Randy B. Singer
- 4c.
- Re: Trojan Horse "DevilRobber" From: Tod Hopkins
- 5.1.
- Little Snitch From: mpstupinski@snet.net
- 5.2.
- Re: Little Snitch From: Harry Flaxman
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Re: I lost my documents on desktop
Posted by: "OBrien" bco@hiwaay.net conorboru
Wed Nov 23, 2011 5:22 am (PST)
On Wed, 23 Nov 2011 05:19:28 -0500, titnaw titnaw wrote:
> So Is this (alias folder on Desktop) a good idea.
> Do I make a new folder for the icons I do not always use?
I'd say it depends on what they are. If they're apps, I would put them in the Dock. You can organize your stuff in lots of ways...it's up to you. You could have several alias folders on your Desktop, or in your Dock; you could put apps icons in your Dock, or you could create Stacks, as Harry mentioned. However you do it, you will end up with a much neater Desktop, and it will be easier to find things.
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Re: I lost my documents on desktop
Posted by: "Denver dan" denver.dan@verizon.net denverdan22180
Wed Nov 23, 2011 8:51 am (PST)
NO! The Trash is for files you want to delete, eradicate, forever and ever.
!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i! i!i!i!i!i! i!i!i!i!i! i!i!i!i!i! i!i!i!i!i! i!i!i!i
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On Nov 23, 2011, at 5:11 AM, titnaw titnaw <titnaw@gmail.com > wrote:
> Thanks Harry,
> I think I have too many.The ones I do not use all the time, should I send
> them to trash and then when I do want to use the program find them in the
> finder?
> Titnaw
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> On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 6:04 AM, Harry Flaxman <harry.flaxman@comcast.net >wrote:
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>> On Nov 22, 2011, at 5:55 AM, titnaw wrote:
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>>> Thanks,
>>> I was able to find it the way John told me. I put the hard drive on the
>> desktop and then to the bottom right and opened home and went to the user
>> folder and then home icon and put the document folder on the left side of
>> the bottom of the desktop.
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>> Do take care in how many visible icons you keep no the desktop. Being as
>> most of them are 'live updating' icons, they can slow the system down by
>> having to refresh them constantly. It's never been recommended to keep
>> much, if anything, on the desktop in the way of icons.
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>> Harry
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Re: I lost my documents on desktop
Posted by: "Bekah" bekah0176@sbcglobal.net bekalex
Wed Nov 23, 2011 8:57 am (PST)
How often should trash be deleted - mine gets too full, I think. I had over 2,000 items last time.
Bekah
On Nov 23, 2011, at 8:50 AM, Denver dan wrote:
> NO! The Trash is for files you want to delete, eradicate, forever and ever.
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> !i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i! i!i!i!i!i! i!i!i!i!i! i!i!i!i!i! i!i!i!i!i! i!i!i!i
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> On Nov 23, 2011, at 5:11 AM, titnaw titnaw <titnaw@gmail.com > wrote:
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>> Thanks Harry,
>> I think I have too many.The ones I do not use all the time, should I send
>> them to trash and then when I do want to use the program find them in the
>> finder?
>> Titnaw
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>> On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 6:04 AM, Harry Flaxman <harry.flaxman@comcast.net >wrote:
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>>> On Nov 22, 2011, at 5:55 AM, titnaw wrote:
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>>>> Thanks,
>>>> I was able to find it the way John told me. I put the hard drive on the
>>> desktop and then to the bottom right and opened home and went to the user
>>> folder and then home icon and put the document folder on the left side of
>>> the bottom of the desktop.
>>>
>>> Do take care in how many visible icons you keep no the desktop. Being as
>>> most of them are 'live updating' icons, they can slow the system down by
>>> having to refresh them constantly. It's never been recommended to keep
>>> much, if anything, on the desktop in the way of icons.
>>>
>>> Harry
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Re: I lost my documents on desktop
Posted by: "Harry Flaxman" harry.flaxman@comcast.net hflaxman001
Wed Nov 23, 2011 9:03 am (PST)
On 11/23/2011 11:57 AM, Bekah wrote:
> How often should trash be deleted - mine gets too full, I think. I had over 2,000 items last time.
I usually delete my trash once a day. It's a good idea to do it regularly.
I even keep my current work files on the desktop so I don't forget to
either file the documents or delete them at the end of the day. It
beats having them go to a directory that I would quickly forget about.
Also, documents are not refreshed that often that it would slow down the
system as other 'live' icons do.
Keep your desktop clean!!
Harry
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Re: I lost my documents on desktop
Posted by: "Forrest Leedy" f.leedy@comcast.net forrkazu
Wed Nov 23, 2011 9:04 am (PST)
Geez! what are you waiting for!! You are just cluttering up your computer with files you do not want.
Forrest
On Nov 23, 2011, at 11:57 AM, Bekah wrote:
> How often should trash be deleted - mine gets too full, I think. I had over 2,000 items last time.
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> Bekah
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Re: I lost my documents on desktop
Posted by: "Harry Flaxman" harry.flaxman@comcast.net hflaxman001
Wed Nov 23, 2011 9:26 am (PST)
On 11/23/2011 11:50 AM, Denver dan wrote:
> NO! The Trash is for files you want to delete, eradicate, forever and ever.
Absolutely Dan,
Usually, if one drags the app, at least in Lion, it creates an alias.
One must copy and paste to move an app out of the Applications folder in
Lion. Something new. You can'[t just drag it out. It won't go!
Harry
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Re: I lost my documents on desktop
Posted by: "Jim Saklad" jimdoc@me.com jimdoc01
Wed Nov 23, 2011 9:31 am (PST)
> You can create a stack for easy launching of apps. Drag the Applications folder icon from the Finder to the right hand side of the dock, to the left of the Trash. You then left click on it and all of your app icons are there for the launching. If you right click on this stack, you can choose the way to display them, grid, list .. etc.
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> I use this and have since stacks have been around. I wish there were a way to disable the new stuff like Launchpad. I will never use it. I tried and just don't like it.
I'm not sure what you desire with "disable" Launchpad. There is noting making you use it. It doesn't even have to stay in the Dock.
My 2 most common ways of launching Apps are clicking on ones that are resident in the dock, and the 3rd-party LaunchBar app that's been out there for many years.
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Re: I lost my documents on desktop
Posted by: "Jim Saklad" jimdoc@me.com jimdoc01
Wed Nov 23, 2011 9:35 am (PST)
> Usually, if one drags the app, at least in Lion, it creates an alias.
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> One must copy and paste to move an app out of the Applications folder in
> Lion. Something new. You can'[t just drag it out. It won't go!
> Harry
<Option> drag copies the file (a copy is in the old place AND the new place)
<Command> drag moves the file (a copy is in the new place, the copy in the old place is gone)
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Re: I lost my documents on desktop
Posted by: "Terry Pogue" tpogue@comcast.net terrypogue_2000
Wed Nov 23, 2011 10:38 am (PST)
This is confusing to me. When you drag a copy to the trash it deletes the original?
Terry
Sent from my iPad
On Nov 23, 2011, at 12:35 PM, Jim Saklad <jimdoc@me.com> wrote:
>> Usually, if one drags the app, at least in Lion, it creates an alias.
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>> One must copy and paste to move an app out of the Applications folder in
>> Lion. Something new. You can'[t just drag it out. It won't go!
>> Harry
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> <Command> drag moves the file (a copy is in the new place, the copy in the old place is gone)
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Re: I lost my documents on desktop
Posted by: "Bekah" bekah0176@sbcglobal.net bekalex
Wed Nov 23, 2011 10:38 am (PST)
Ok - desktop is now clean except for the Time Machine icon, the HD icon, a Downloads folder alias (empty) and the Burn Folder (empty). Okay?
How many icons are optimum in the dock? I've got 16 icons down there including the Finder - plus, on the right, a work folder (current docs and gifs, etc. some in folders) and the trash icon last.
Bekah
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On Nov 23, 2011, at 9:31 AM, Jim Saklad wrote:
>> You can create a stack for easy launching of apps. Drag the Applications folder icon from the Finder to the right hand side of the dock, to the left of the Trash. You then left click on it and all of your app icons are there for the launching. If you right click on this stack, you can choose the way to display them, grid, list .. etc.
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>> I use this and have since stacks have been around. I wish there were a way to disable the new stuff like Launchpad. I will never use it. I tried and just don't like it.
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> I'm not sure what you desire with "disable" Launchpad. There is noting making you use it. It doesn't even have to stay in the Dock.
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Re: I lost my documents on desktop
Posted by: "OBrien" bco@hiwaay.net conorboru
Wed Nov 23, 2011 11:25 am (PST)
On Wed, 23 Nov 2011 10:38:33 -0800, Bekah wrote:
> How many icons are optimum in the dock?....
That's up to you. I have about 60. I have them arranged so I know about where each one is. I have my Dock set to auto hide and to magnify.
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Re: I lost my documents on desktop
Posted by: "Harry Flaxman" harry.flaxman@comcast.net hflaxman001
Wed Nov 23, 2011 2:40 pm (PST)
On 11/23/2011 12:35 PM, Jim Saklad wrote:
> <Option> drag copies the file (a copy is in the old place AND the new place)
> <Command> drag moves the file (a copy is in the new place, the copy in the old place is gone)
Right, but the point is, the original never leaves the Applications
folder. You won't lose them.
Harry
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Re: I lost my documents on desktop
Posted by: "Harry Flaxman" harry.flaxman@comcast.net hflaxman001
Wed Nov 23, 2011 2:41 pm (PST)
On 11/23/2011 1:38 PM, Bekah wrote:
> k - desktop is now clean except for the Time Machine icon, the HD icon, a Downloads folder alias (empty) and the Burn Folder (empty). Okay?
>
> How many icons are optimum in the dock? I've got 16 icons down there including the Finder - plus, on the right, a work folder (current docs and gifs, etc. some in folders) and the trash icon last.
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> Bekah
You can have as many as you can see in the Dock.
The point of a stack in the dock is that you don't need to make the dock
invisible. :)
Harry
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Re: I lost my documents on desktop
Posted by: "Jim Saklad" jimdoc@me.com jimdoc01
Wed Nov 23, 2011 3:12 pm (PST)
> How many icons are optimum in the dock?
Optimum?
Whatever works for you.
> I've got 16 icons down there including the Finder - plus, on the right, a work folder (current docs and gifs, etc. some in folders) and the trash icon last.
From Finder on the left to Trash on the right, I have 32 at the moment, on a 15" Macbook Pro.
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Re: I lost my documents on desktop
Posted by: "Jim Saklad" jimdoc@me.com jimdoc01
Wed Nov 23, 2011 3:14 pm (PST)
>> How many icons are optimum in the dock?....
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> That's up to you. I have about 60. I have them arranged so I know about where each one is. I have my Dock set to auto hide and to magnify.
What size screen?
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Re: I lost my documents on desktop
Posted by: "OBrien" bco@hiwaay.net conorboru
Wed Nov 23, 2011 3:19 pm (PST)
On Wed, 23 Nov 2011 18:12:53 -0500, Jim Saklad wrote:
> What size screen?
24" Samsung.
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Re: I lost my documents on desktop
Posted by: "Jim Saklad" jimdoc@me.com jimdoc01
Wed Nov 23, 2011 3:52 pm (PST)
>>> Usually, if one drags the app, at least in Lion, it creates an alias.
>>>
>>> One must copy and paste to move an app out of the Applications folder in
>>> Lion. Something new. You can'[t just drag it out. It won't go!
>>> Harry
>>
>> <Option> drag copies the file (a copy is in the old place AND the new place)
>> <Command> drag moves the file (a copy is in the new place, the copy in the old place is gone)
>
> This is confusing to me. When you drag a copy to the trash it deletes the original?
> Terry
1. Trash is treated as a different *kid* of folder than all others; what Harry and I stated above does not apply to Trash.
2. Dragging anything to Trash deletes only the thing dragged (actually, it isn't really *deleted* until the Trash is empties). In fact, if you have a file, and somewhere else you have an alias to that file, and you delete (Trash) the original, the alias remains, pointing nowhere.
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Re: I lost my documents on desktop
Posted by: "Jim Saklad" jimdoc@me.com jimdoc01
Wed Nov 23, 2011 3:55 pm (PST)
> 1. Trash is treated as a different *kid* of folder...
"kind", actually...
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Apple's Black Friday 2011 deals revealed: discounts on iPad,
Posted by: "Bill Boulware" bill.boulware@gmail.com boulware0224
Wed Nov 23, 2011 5:45 am (PST)
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Sent to you by Bill Boulware via Google Reader: Apple's Black Friday
2011 deals revealed: discounts on iPad, iPod, iMac, MacBook Air,
MacBook Pro, and accessories via 9to5Mac by Mark Gurman on 11/22/11
A trusted tipster has provided us with the details on Apple's Black
Friday (November 25th) 2011 sale. The sale is very similar to Apple's
offerings in past years, but does give better discounts to higher
capacities of the iPads and iPods. The deals on the Mac end cover the
iMac, MacBook Air, and MacBook Pro, while the iPod nano and iPod touch
are the discounted iPod offerings. The Macs will be $101 less, the
iPads will go from $41-$61 discounts depending on capacity (16GB, 32GB,
64GB), the iPod nano will shave off $11 for both 8GB and 16GB storage
sizes, the iPod touch will follow the iPad's lead of bigger discounts
for bigger capacities, ranging from $21-$41 discounts.
Apple will also (images after the break) discount accessories. On the
Apple in-house accessory list is $11 off the iPad 2 Smart Cover (comes
out to $28 for the polyurethane and $58 for the leather), $11 off ($58
in total for each) for the Apple Wireless Keyboard and Apple Wireless
Magic Trackpad, $5 off ($45 total) for a $50 iTunes/App
Store/iBookstore gift card, in addition to discounts on the AirPort
Extreme, Time Capsule, and AirPort Express. Third-party accessories
such as Western Digital hard drives, the mophie JuicePack Air, Speck
CandyShell iPhone 4/4S case, Jawbone Up, a Griffin Universal Remote
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Re: Mail suddenly slow
Posted by: "Michael P. Stupinski" mpstupinski@snet.net mstupinski
Wed Nov 23, 2011 5:53 am (PST)
It's not necessarily true that under POP a message is removed from the
server when downloaded. Under Mail 3.6, at least, by choosing the
'Advanced' tab under account preferences you can select leaving the
original in the server for up to one month. I use that on my MBP so
when I'm away and read my mail it will also show up on my desktop
computer when I get home. (I also set up my MBP account to send
myself a copy of outgoing mail so it appears on the desktop Mac when I
get home.)
..........Mike
On Nov 22, 2011, at 8:31 AM, Daly Jessup wrote:
> On Nov 22, 2011, at 2:47 AM, titnaw wrote:
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>> I have thunderbird and seem to miss a lot of messages. I do have
>> this email on another computer that uses Outlook Express. Do you
>> think that is what is happening
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> then when you download mail on one computer, those messages are no
> longer on the server, so won't be available when you download mail
> on the other computer.
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> In Thunderbird's Tools menu, you can choose Account Settings. In
> Account Settings, find your account on the left and beneath its
> name, select "Server Settings." In Server Settings, you can use
> checkboxes to tell it to leave your messages on the server "Until I
> delete them."
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> be available to be re-downloaded on the other computer.
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Re: Trojan Horse "DevilRobber"
Posted by: "Tod Hopkins" hoplist@hillmanncarr.com todhop
Wed Nov 23, 2011 7:09 am (PST)
Thanks for the list Randy. A useful log for monitoring the progress of attacks directed at Macs.
Vulnerability is in the eyes of the beholder. This trojan is carried by illicit copies of legitimate software. For most casual users, understanding the difference between legitimate and corrupt software is highly problematic. It often comes down to a question of "trust" in the download site.
According to Randy's list, Devilrobber (aka Miner-D) appeared October 2011. According to CNET, it has already taken several forms, increasing it's "vector" applications and expanding it's functionality.
Cheers,
tod
On Nov 23, 2011, at 12:35 AM, paul smith wrote:
> The level of "vulnerability" and the avenue of attack are nothing new. This exactly replicates exploits that existed six or seven years ago.
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> On Nov 22, 2011, at 1:16 PM, Tod Hopkins wrote:
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> In short, the evidence is mounting that organized crime, the primary source of malware, is gearing up to target Mac users. It would not be wise to continue to be complacent about the relative "invulnerability" of Macs.
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Re: Trojan Horse "DevilRobber"
Posted by: "Randy B. Singer" randy@macattorney.com randybrucesinger
Wed Nov 23, 2011 12:15 pm (PST)
On Nov 22, 2011, at 9:35 PM, paul smith wrote:
> The level of "vulnerability" and the avenue of attack are nothing new.
The thing about Trojan Horses (as opposed to actual viruses) is that
they aren't self disseminating and they don't self-reproduce.
That means that even a really well written Trojan Horse (which are
very rare) won't ever be terribly widespread, because they tend to
have to be disseminated from a source such as a Web site, and that
means that the sociopath that disseminates a Trojan Horse opens
themselves up to be found and put in jail. Even when a means is
found to anonymously disseminate a Trojan Horse, Trojan Horses still
usually phone home to steal from you, and the server that they phone
home to can be traced.
MacDefender was a recent Trojan Horse for the Macintosh, and it was
well written and brilliantly disseminated. it was the product of a
lot of hard work over a good amount of time, money, talent, and
organized crime. It worked really well stealing money from users who
installed it. But the vast majority of us never encountered it, and
the criminals behind MacDefender are now rotting in a Russian
prison. One would hope that this would serve as a valuable lesson to
others looking to make money by creating a Trojan Horse.
Finally, a Trojan Horse by its very nature, once discovered in the
wild, should be possible to contain (even if the criminal's server
isn't shut down). Apple has shown themselves to be fairly quick
about pushing out security updates to combat the worst Trojan
Horses. And discussion lists such as this one quickly get out
information to users on how to avoid the latest Trojan Horse.
With regard to "DevilRobber"...all that you have to do to avoid it is
to not download pirated software via torrents.
http://www.reedcorner.net/news. php/?p=308
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Re: Trojan Horse "DevilRobber"
Posted by: "Tod Hopkins" hoplist@hillmanncarr.com todhop
Wed Nov 23, 2011 12:49 pm (PST)
It appears to me that the vast majority of malware is now trojan horse based. In fact, I have not cleaned a true virus from a users machine in years, but I clean trojans from Windows machines regularly. As far as I can see, true viruses have all but disappeared as a means of attacking the common user though they remain a serious security threat at the enterprise/government level.
I suppose you can argue that a pure Trojan is not at all dangerous. If no one is using it, it doesn't do anything. But the Trojan is the means of infection. A well written trojan, allows the controller to do anything they can possibly imagine to a users machine, including using that machine to attack others. One example would be using a trojan to insert a worm into a LAN. A very effective, and very dangerous attack.
In the immortal words of, well, whoever said it first. "Follow the money." Virus are for attacking and destroying systems. Trojans are for making money.
Cheers,
tod
On Nov 23, 2011, at 1:23 AM, Randy B. Singer wrote:
>
> On Nov 22, 2011, at 9:35 PM, paul smith wrote:
>
> > The level of "vulnerability" and the avenue of attack are nothing new.
>
> The thing about Trojan Horses (as opposed to actual viruses) is that
> they aren't self disseminating and they don't self-reproduce.
>
> That means that even a really well written Trojan Horse (which are
> very rare) won't ever be terribly widespread, because they tend to
> have to be disseminated from a source such as a Web site, and that
> means that the sociopath that disseminates a Trojan Horse opens
> themselves up to be found and put in jail. Even when a means is
> found to anonymously disseminate a Trojan Horse, Trojan Horses still
> usually phone home to steal from you, and the server that they phone
> home to can be traced.
> MacDefender was a recent Trojan Horse for the Macintosh, and it was
> well written and brilliantly disseminated. it was the product of a
> lot of hard work over a good amount of time, money, talent, and
> organized crime. It worked really well stealing money from users who
> installed it. But the vast majority of us never encountered it, and
> the criminals behind MacDefender are now rotting in a Russian
> prison. One would hope that this would serve as a valuable lesson to
> others looking to make money by creating a Trojan Horse.
>
> Finally, a Trojan Horse by its very nature, once discovered in the
> wild, should be possible to contain (even if the criminal's server
> isn't shut down). Apple has shown themselves to be fairly quick
> about pushing out security updates to combat the worst Trojan
> Horses. And discussion lists such as this one quickly get out
> information to users on how to avoid the latest Trojan Horse.
>
> With regard to "DevilRobber"...all that you have to do to avoid it is
> to not download pirated software via torrents.
> http://www.reedcorner.net/news. php/?p=308
>
> _____________________ _________ _________ ____
> Randy B. Singer
> Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions)
>
> Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance
> http://www.macattorney.com/ts. html
> _____________________ _________ _________ ____
>
>
Tod Hopkins
Hillmann & Carr Inc.
todhopkins@hillmanncarr.com
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Little Snitch
Posted by: "mpstupinski@snet.net" mpstupinski@snet.net mstupinski
Wed Nov 23, 2011 10:15 am (PST)
After reading the recent comments about Little Snitch, I decided yesterday to purchase and install it. Ever since it seems as if just about everything I've done that deals with the net has resulted in sequences of dialogues requiring decisions on my part as to what to allow. Unfortunately, I recognize very few of the programs making such communication requests.
I assume that this will eventually sort itself out after I have bumbled through making decisions on everything as to: 1. Whether or not to allow communication. 2. How frequently to allow it (once? until quit? forever?) and 3. What port to allow it on.
I'm wondering if the safest thing for me to do is to just disable it so I don't (or haven't already) set restrictions that negatively affect something I need. I think I'm in over my head on this one.
Advice would be appreciated.
............Mike
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Re: Little Snitch
Posted by: "Harry Flaxman" harry.flaxman@comcast.net hflaxman001
Wed Nov 23, 2011 2:37 pm (PST)
On 11/23/2011 1:15 PM, mpstupinski@snet.net wrote:
> After reading the recent comments about Little Snitch, I decided yesterday to purchase and install it. Ever since it seems as if just about everything I've done that deals with the net has resulted in sequences of dialogues requiring decisions on my part as to what to allow. Unfortunately, I recognize very few of the programs making such communication requests.
>
> I assume that this will eventually sort itself out after I have bumbled through making decisions on everything as to: 1. Whether or not to allow communication. 2. How frequently to allow it (once? until quit? forever?) and 3. What port to allow it on.
>
> I'm wondering if the safest thing for me to do is to just disable it so I don't (or haven't already) set restrictions that negatively affect something I need. I think I'm in over my head on this one.
I have ussed and still do, Little Snitch. I did beta test for them in
the early days. Once you have your rules set up, it's a no bother type
of app. It is a necessity for me. I would not do away with it. Have
patience.
Harry
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