11/17/2011

[macsupport] Digest Number 8568

Messages In This Digest (25 Messages)

1.1.
Re: iDefrag 2 News From: Randy B. Singer
1.2.
Re: iDefrag 2 News From: Steve B.
1.3.
Re: iDefrag 2 News From: Denver Dan
1.4.
Re: iDefrag 2 News From: HAL9000
1.5.
Re: iDefrag 2 News From: Tod Hopkins
1.6.
Re: iDefrag 2 News From: Tod Hopkins
1.7.
Re: iDefrag 2 News From: Tod Hopkins
2.1.
Re: Directories From: Jim Saklad
3a.
Import CD with FTD From: Denver Dan
3b.
Re: Import CD with FTD From: Jay Abraham
4a.
Re: Keyboard Shortcuts From: James C. Hamm
4b.
Re: Keyboard Shortcuts From: James C. Hamm
4c.
Re: Keyboard Shortcuts From: Otto Nikolaus
4d.
Re: Keyboard Shortcuts From: Tod Hopkins
4e.
Re: Keyboard Shortcuts From: Bob
4f.
Re: Keyboard Shortcuts From: Tod Hopkins
5a.
Re: password question re:new folder. From: Don
6a.
IPad and kindle fire From: Blaine Gordon
6b.
Re: IPad and kindle fire From: Curby Keith
6c.
Re: IPad and kindle fire From: Jim Saklad
7a.
Re: Sidebar issues From: Denver Dan
8.
Finder Window Parts Explained for Newbies From: Denver Dan
9a.
Re: I lost the "Address Book" option in Mail in Lion From: Tanya Metaksa
9b.
Re: I lost the "Address Book" option in Mail in Lion From: Denver Dan
10.
iTunes App From: Barbara Elbe

Messages

1.1.

Re: iDefrag 2 News

Posted by: "Randy B. Singer" randy@macattorney.com   randybrucesinger

Thu Nov 17, 2011 9:03 am (PST)




On Nov 17, 2011, at 4:06 AM, Tod Hopkins wrote:

> When defragging was invented, oh so long ago, drives were very
> small (measured in KB), very slow (100ms search times), and used
> relatively large data blocks. In other words, very slow and
> inefficient. And the OS made NO attempt to optimize. Fragmenting
> was a deliberate strategy to conserve precious space. Over time,
> this would create a major performance hit.

That hasn't been the experience of Mac users. And it ignores the
MacFixIt article that I just cited, which is a few years old, but
nothing has changed in the interim.

>
> Non of these things is true anymore. This does not mean that
> fragmenting no longer exists. It does. It remains a deliberate OS
> strategy with benefits, including performance, that have now been
> optimized so as to no longer require an additional utility. For
> instance, the OS will fragment a file in order to write it quickly
> for you, then go back and defrag the file during an idle moment.
> This increases performance overall, though for a while, you will
> have a fragmented file.

To my knowledge, the Mac OS does not defragment files during spare
time. It only does so upon opening a file.

This also ignores the effect of drive (rather than file)
fragmentation and the benefits of optimization.

Just another example of "invincible ignorance." I won't argue it
anymore. There are plenty of links to follow on my Web site for
those willing to do some reading.

___________________________________________
Randy B. Singer
Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions)

Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance
http://www.macattorney.com/ts.html
___________________________________________

1.2.

Re: iDefrag 2 News

Posted by: "Steve B." macosx@xebrawerx.com   xebrawerx

Thu Nov 17, 2011 9:48 am (PST)




Well, I ran iDefrag optimize overnight. I detect a subtle subtle improvement. Maybe 5%?

I use a Seagate Momentus 500GB hybrid drive. 230GB stored and 270GB free.

Let me add, it's my second Momentus in two months. The first one was DOA.

Steve B.
.

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1.3.

Re: iDefrag 2 News

Posted by: "Denver Dan" denver.dan@verizon.net   denverdan22180

Thu Nov 17, 2011 10:20 am (PST)



Howdy.

Tod, I've not ever read anything that supports your thought that the OS
defragments files in idle moments.

Can you list or cite any articles on this theory? I can't.

Denver Dan

On Thu, 17 Nov 2011 07:06:13 -0500, Tod Hopkins wrote:
> For instance, the OS will fragment a file in order to write it
> quickly for you, then go back and defrag the file during an idle
> moment.

1.4.

Re: iDefrag 2 News

Posted by: "HAL9000" jrswebhome@yahoo.com   jrswebhome

Thu Nov 17, 2011 11:07 am (PST)



Yes, I'd like to see those articles as well. Please show them. jr

--- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com, Denver Dan <denver.dan@...> wrote:
>
> Howdy.
>
> Tod, I've not ever read anything that supports your thought that the OS
> defragments files in idle moments.
>
> Can you list or cite any articles on this theory? I can't.
>
> Denver Dan
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, 17 Nov 2011 07:06:13 -0500, Tod Hopkins wrote:
> > For instance, the OS will fragment a file in order to write it
> > quickly for you, then go back and defrag the file during an idle
> > moment.
>

1.5.

Re: iDefrag 2 News

Posted by: "Tod Hopkins" hoplist@hillmanncarr.com   todhop

Thu Nov 17, 2011 12:40 pm (PST)



On Nov 17, 2011, at 12:03 PM, Randy B. Singer wrote:
> Just another example of "invincible ignorance."
>
Really? I've read both your website and your book. We clearly agree on the technical points, but reach different conclusions. I think defragging is risky and unnecessary, except in the one circumstance where I think it is MOST risky, on a full drive. If a drive is more than 90% full, you should clear space.

Optimizing is, indeed, different, and can only be evaluated with before and after testing.

I have been working with Windows and Macs for 25 years and have defragged many, many machines. My evaluation of the risk-benefit changed about 10 years ago. YMMV.

BTW, some applications explicitly warn against optimizing data drives, notably video editing apps.

Cheers,
tod

> I won't argue it
> anymore. There are plenty of links to follow on my Web site for
> those willing to do some reading.
>
> ___________________________________________
> Randy B. Singer
> Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions)
>
> Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance
> http://www.macattorney.com/ts.html
> ___________________________________________
>
>

Tod Hopkins
Hillmann & Carr Inc.
todhopkins@hillmanncarr.com

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1.6.

Re: iDefrag 2 News

Posted by: "Tod Hopkins" hoplist@hillmanncarr.com   todhop

Thu Nov 17, 2011 12:47 pm (PST)



Bad choice of words and confusion of operating systems (Windows actively defrags during idle times). I was referring to delayed write/rewrite techniques designed to limit and eliminate fragmentation, such as...

> Mac OS X 10.3 Panther can also automatically defragment such slow-growing files. This process is sometimes known as "Hot-File-Adaptive-Clustering."

Cheers,
tod

On Nov 17, 2011, at 1:20 PM, Denver Dan wrote:

> Howdy.
>
> Tod, I've not ever read anything that supports your thought that the OS
> defragments files in idle moments.
>
> Can you list or cite any articles on this theory? I can't.
>
> Denver Dan
>
> On Thu, 17 Nov 2011 07:06:13 -0500, Tod Hopkins wrote:
> > For instance, the OS will fragment a file in order to write it
> > quickly for you, then go back and defrag the file during an idle
> > moment.
>

Tod Hopkins
Hillmann & Carr Inc.
todhopkins@hillmanncarr.com

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1.7.

Re: iDefrag 2 News

Posted by: "Tod Hopkins" hoplist@hillmanncarr.com   todhop

Thu Nov 17, 2011 12:51 pm (PST)



On Nov 17, 2011, at 1:20 PM, Denver Dan wrote:
> Tod, I've not ever read anything that supports your thought that the OS
> defragments files in idle moments.

Also the maint scripts, which do not defrag directly, but have the effect of defragging and optimizing essential system files and caches.

Cheers,
tod

Tod Hopkins
Hillmann & Carr Inc.
todhopkins@hillmanncarr.com

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2.1.

Re: Directories

Posted by: "Jim Saklad" jimdoc@me.com   jimdoc01

Thu Nov 17, 2011 9:09 am (PST)



>> How many of the list members here have had to straighten out a System folder where a small child has rearranged or deleted a few files or folders?
>>
>> Or had to help someone, where a 3rd party app or tweak has mucked up the OS?
>>
>> Requiring an admin password could have prevented many of these issues.
>

> Many, many times. Usually after that have either gotten a virus or have mucked something up and it's even harder to resolve.

It would be intensely interesting to learn where you found such a virus to infect MacOS X, since there are not any out there in the wild, and never have been. Ever. Zero.

--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Jim Saklad mailto:jimdoc@me.com

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3a.

Import CD with FTD

Posted by: "Denver Dan" denver.dan@verizon.net   denverdan22180

Thu Nov 17, 2011 9:12 am (PST)



Howdy.

I would buy an external CD/DVD burner and connect to the MacMini.

OWC has the OWC Value Line 22X USB 2.0 Dual Layer DVD+/-RW Samsung
SpeedPlus External DVD Writer with LightScribe for $49.00 USD.

Or.

Try FireWire Target Disc (FTD) mode. I don't know if this will work
specifically with iTunes for RIPping an audio CD into iTunes but it
should unless there is some deliberate block added to iTunes for doing
this.

FTD is a way to connect two Macs with a FireWire cable so the drives
from one Mac show up (mount) on the Desktop of the other Mac. I've
done this to install software on computers with a non functioning
CD/DVD drive.

Think of Mac A and Mac B.

You want to use the DVD drive on Mac B on Mac A.

Connect the two Macs with a FireWire cable. Can be either FW 400 or FW
800.

You want to then boot Mac B with the CD/DVD drive into FTD mode.
Restart Mac B with the "t" key pressed (T for Target). Mac B will boot
into a special mode that turns it into a sort a drive only. A disc in
the CD/DVD drive should act the same as the hard drive.

Mac A should, after a bit of a wait for things to appear over FW cable,
see the drives from Mac B mount on Mac A's Desktop. Launch iTunes on
Mac A and see if it works.

You may need to first launch iTunes on Mac A and then insert the audio
CD into the CD/DVD drive on Mac B and wait for things to spin up.

No guarantees this will work and I haven't tried it with an audio CD
but it works for other types of disks.

Good luck.

Denver Dan

> Maybe you have a solution for my other problem. How do I import CDs
> into iTunes when I don't have a cd drive in the mac-mini. When I try
> to share a drive from another machine it sees the disc but when I try
> importing using iTunes it won't work saying it doesn't see the disc.
>
> I can just drag the relevant files over to the mac-mini and then
> import to iTunes but then a lot of the song data doesn't import?
>
> Jay

3b.

Re: Import CD with FTD

Posted by: "Jay Abraham" jaygroups@abrahamgroup.net   kerala01212001

Thu Nov 17, 2011 1:25 pm (PST)



Hi Dan,

Thanks. I hadn't realized that the Remote Disc they talk about with Lion on the MacMini doesn't work with Audio CDs and movie DVD's. It only works for installing software, etc.

Given that the easiest solution was to import the CD into the other Mac whose drive I was trying to share and then transfer the CD over to the MacMini using Home Sharing.

FTD and/or buying an external CD/DVD burner seemed like too much work for occasionally importing a CD. Most of my CDs have already been imported.

Thanks again.

Jay

On Nov 17, 2011, at 11:12 AM, Denver Dan wrote:

> Howdy.
>
> I would buy an external CD/DVD burner and connect to the MacMini.
>
> OWC has the OWC Value Line 22X USB 2.0 Dual Layer DVD+/-RW Samsung
> SpeedPlus External DVD Writer with LightScribe for $49.00 USD.
>
> Or.
>
> Try FireWire Target Disc (FTD) mode. I don't know if this will work
> specifically with iTunes for RIPping an audio CD into iTunes but it
> should unless there is some deliberate block added to iTunes for doing
> this.
>
> FTD is a way to connect two Macs with a FireWire cable so the drives
> from one Mac show up (mount) on the Desktop of the other Mac. I've
> done this to install software on computers with a non functioning
> CD/DVD drive.
>
> Think of Mac A and Mac B.
>
> You want to use the DVD drive on Mac B on Mac A.
>
> Connect the two Macs with a FireWire cable. Can be either FW 400 or FW
> 800.
>
> You want to then boot Mac B with the CD/DVD drive into FTD mode.
> Restart Mac B with the "t" key pressed (T for Target). Mac B will boot
> into a special mode that turns it into a sort a drive only. A disc in
> the CD/DVD drive should act the same as the hard drive.
>
> Mac A should, after a bit of a wait for things to appear over FW cable,
> see the drives from Mac B mount on Mac A's Desktop. Launch iTunes on
> Mac A and see if it works.
>
> You may need to first launch iTunes on Mac A and then insert the audio
> CD into the CD/DVD drive on Mac B and wait for things to spin up.
>
> No guarantees this will work and I haven't tried it with an audio CD
> but it works for other types of disks.
>
> Good luck.
>
> Denver Dan
>
> > Maybe you have a solution for my other problem. How do I import CDs
> > into iTunes when I don't have a cd drive in the mac-mini. When I try
> > to share a drive from another machine it sees the disc but when I try
> > importing using iTunes it won't work saying it doesn't see the disc.
> >
> > I can just drag the relevant files over to the mac-mini and then
> > import to iTunes but then a lot of the song data doesn't import?
> >
> > Jay
>

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4a.

Re: Keyboard Shortcuts

Posted by: "James C. Hamm" machamm@gmail.com   jimhamm90

Thu Nov 17, 2011 9:14 am (PST)



Tod, yes, I can just press the power button and a dialog box comes up with several options: restart, sleep, cancel, shut down. This is easy to do, but I was just curious if there was another key to use instead of eject. Not a big deal for me, just curious as I do use keyboard shortcuts a lot.

As to your question on HTML, and Unicode 8, sorry, I don't know. Thanks for your comments....Jim

On Nov 17, 2011, at 8:45 AM, Tod Hopkins wrote:

> You can press the power button and then enter, assuming Shut Down is the default in the Shut Down dialog. Not sure how reliably that is true. Does not solve the sleep and restart, though restart seems to be the secondard default. Is that shift-enter? I can't remember. That's two key presses, but not much harder than the four-key shutdown considering the eject and power are in more or less the same place.
>
> Cheers,
> tod
>
> On Nov 17, 2011, at 9:40 AM, James C. Hamm wrote:
>
> > Hi all....I'm a big fan of keyboard shortcuts, and a few that I used on a MacBook Pro, which had an optical drive with an eject key, no longer work on my MacBook Air, which has no optical drive and, hence, no eject key. Would anyone know a keyboard shortcut I could use on my Air for the following? Looks like I need a key to take the place of an eject key. Thanks much....Jim
> >
> > 1) sleep: option+cmd+eject
> > 2) restart: ctrl+cmd+eject
> > 3) shutdown: ctrl+eject
> >
> > Here's one for you, which is fun to use occasionally: shift+opt+K=
> >
> > Think Different…
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
>
> Tod Hopkins
> Hillmann & Carr Inc.
> todhopkins@hillmanncarr.com
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

Think Different…

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4b.

Re: Keyboard Shortcuts

Posted by: "James C. Hamm" machamm@gmail.com   jimhamm90

Thu Nov 17, 2011 9:18 am (PST)



Otto, that worked just fine, and quickly, too. I'll use it whenever I walk away from my Mac. Thanks. You've got one of three answered—just two more to go...(grin)...Jim

On Nov 17, 2011, at 9:23 AM, Otto Nikolaus wrote:

> To sleep, apparently you tap the power button then S.
>
> Otto
>
> On 17 November 2011 14:40, James C. Hamm <machamm@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi all....I'm a big fan of keyboard shortcuts, and a few that I used on a
> > MacBook Pro, which had an optical drive with an eject key, no longer work
> > on my MacBook Air, which has no optical drive and, hence, no eject key.
> > Would anyone know a keyboard shortcut I could use on my Air for the
> > following? Looks like I need a key to take the place of an eject key.
> > Thanks much....Jim
> >
> > 1) sleep: option+cmd+eject
> > 2) restart: ctrl+cmd+eject
> > 3) shutdown: ctrl+eject
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

Think Different…

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4c.

Re: Keyboard Shortcuts

Posted by: "Otto Nikolaus" otto.nikolaus@googlemail.com   nikyzf

Thu Nov 17, 2011 10:25 am (PST)



This seems to be a mess, with no clear answers to be found, but try using
the power button instead of the eject key, so you would have:-
sleep: option-cmd-power
restart: ctrl-cmd-power
shutdown: ctrl-power

Otto

On 17 November 2011 17:18, James C. Hamm <machamm@gmail.com> wrote:

> Otto, that worked just fine, and quickly, too. I'll use it whenever I walk
> away from my Mac. Thanks. You've got one of three answered�just two more to
> go...(grin)...Jim
>

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4d.

Re: Keyboard Shortcuts

Posted by: "Tod Hopkins" hoplist@hillmanncarr.com   todhop

Thu Nov 17, 2011 12:03 pm (PST)



I've investigated this before without luck. I have not found an "equivalent" for the eject key, for instance, when using a non-mac keyboard with a Mac. I am also unaware of another keystroke for shutdown. I suspect one might be able to create something using Automator, and there are probably shutdown utilities that give you control.

You can map the "apple" menu in "Keyboard Shortcuts" as a shortcut for the Finder App. Two problems. Not "global". Finder must be foreground. Second is that this still brings up the shut down dialog. The upside is that it can be mapped to any keystroke or even multiples.

This works for Sleep though and probably for Restart.

Cheers,
tod

On Nov 17, 2011, at 12:14 PM, James C. Hamm wrote:

> Tod, yes, I can just press the power button and a dialog box comes up with several options: restart, sleep, cancel, shut down. This is easy to do, but I was just curious if there was another key to use instead of eject. Not a big deal for me, just curious as I do use keyboard shortcuts a lot.
>
> As to your question on HTML, and Unicode 8, sorry, I don't know. Thanks for your comments....Jim
>
> On Nov 17, 2011, at 8:45 AM, Tod Hopkins wrote:
>
> > You can press the power button and then enter, assuming Shut Down is the default in the Shut Down dialog. Not sure how reliably that is true. Does not solve the sleep and restart, though restart seems to be the secondard default. Is that shift-enter? I can't remember. That's two key presses, but not much harder than the four-key shutdown considering the eject and power are in more or less the same place.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > tod
> >
> > On Nov 17, 2011, at 9:40 AM, James C. Hamm wrote:
> >
> > > Hi all....I'm a big fan of keyboard shortcuts, and a few that I used on a MacBook Pro, which had an optical drive with an eject key, no longer work on my MacBook Air, which has no optical drive and, hence, no eject key. Would anyone know a keyboard shortcut I could use on my Air for the following? Looks like I need a key to take the place of an eject key. Thanks much....Jim
> > >
> > > 1) sleep: option+cmd+eject
> > > 2) restart: ctrl+cmd+eject
> > > 3) shutdown: ctrl+eject
> > >
> > > Here's one for you, which is fun to use occasionally: shift+opt+K=
> > >
> > > Think Different…
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Tod Hopkins
> > Hillmann & Carr Inc.
> > todhopkins@hillmanncarr.com
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
>
> Think Different…
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

Tod Hopkins
Hillmann & Carr Inc.
todhopkins@hillmanncarr.com

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4e.

Re: Keyboard Shortcuts

Posted by: "Bob" 1belami@gmail.com   bombino21217

Thu Nov 17, 2011 12:17 pm (PST)



Eject on a non-Mac kb: hold down the F12 key.
Shutdown: control-option-command+F12.

Bob

On 11/17/11 3:03 PM, "Tod Hopkins" <hoplist@hillmanncarr.com> wrote:

>
>
>
>
>
> I've investigated this before without luck. I have not found an "equivalent"
> for the eject key, for instance, when using a non-mac keyboard with a Mac. I
> am also unaware of another keystroke for shutdown. I suspect one might be
> able to create something using Automator, and there are probably shutdown
> utilities that give you control.
>
> You can map the "apple" menu in "Keyboard Shortcuts" as a shortcut for the
> Finder App. Two problems. Not "global". Finder must be foreground. Second
> is that this still brings up the shut down dialog. The upside is that it can
> be mapped to any keystroke or even multiples.
>
> This works for Sleep though and probably for Restart.
>
> Cheers,
> tod
>
> On Nov 17, 2011, at 12:14 PM, James C. Hamm wrote:
>
>> > Tod, yes, I can just press the power button and a dialog box comes up with
>> several options: restart, sleep, cancel, shut down. This is easy to do, but I
>> was just curious if there was another key to use instead of eject. Not a big
>> deal for me, just curious as I do use keyboard shortcuts a lot.
>> >
>> > As to your question on HTML, and Unicode 8, sorry, I don't know. Thanks for
>> your comments....Jim
>> >
>> > On Nov 17, 2011, at 8:45 AM, Tod Hopkins wrote:
>> >
>>> > > You can press the power button and then enter, assuming Shut Down is the
>>> default in the Shut Down dialog. Not sure how reliably that is true. Does
>>> not solve the sleep and restart, though restart seems to be the secondard
>>> default. Is that shift-enter? I can't remember. That's two key presses, but
>>> not much harder than the four-key shutdown considering the eject and power
>>> are in more or less the same place.
>>> > >
>>> > > Cheers,
>>> > > tod
>>> > >
>>> > > On Nov 17, 2011, at 9:40 AM, James C. Hamm wrote:
>>> > >
>>>> > > > Hi all....I'm a big fan of keyboard shortcuts, and a few that I used
>>>> on a MacBook Pro, which had an optical drive with an eject key, no longer
>>>> work on my MacBook Air, which has no optical drive and, hence, no eject
>>>> key. Would anyone know a keyboard shortcut I could use on my Air for the
>>>> following? Looks like I need a key to take the place of an eject key.
>>>> Thanks much....Jim
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > 1) sleep: option+cmd+eject
>>>> > > > 2) restart: ctrl+cmd+eject
>>>> > > > 3) shutdown: ctrl+eject
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > Here's one for you, which is fun to use occasionally: shift+opt+K=•
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > Think DifferentŠ•
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > >
>>> > >
>>> > > Tod Hopkins
>>> > > Hillmann & Carr Inc.
>>> > > todhopkins@hillmanncarr.com <mailto:todhopkins%40hillmanncarr.com>
>>> > >
>>> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>> > >
>>> > >
>> >
>> > Think DifferentŠ•
>> >
>> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>> >
>> >
>
> Tod Hopkins
> Hillmann & Carr Inc.
> todhopkins@hillmanncarr.com <mailto:todhopkins%40hillmanncarr.com>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>

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4f.

Re: Keyboard Shortcuts

Posted by: "Tod Hopkins" hoplist@hillmanncarr.com   todhop

Thu Nov 17, 2011 12:54 pm (PST)



Thanks. I observe that ctr-opt-cmd-F12 does not work on my Mac Book, but it has an eject key.

Does it work on Air?

Cheers,
tod

On Nov 17, 2011, at 3:17 PM, Bob wrote:

> Eject on a non-Mac kb: hold down the F12 key.
> Shutdown: control-option-command+F12.
>
> Bob
>
> On 11/17/11 3:03 PM, "Tod Hopkins" <hoplist@hillmanncarr.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I've investigated this before without luck. I have not found an "equivalent"
> > for the eject key, for instance, when using a non-mac keyboard with a Mac. I
> > am also unaware of another keystroke for shutdown. I suspect one might be
> > able to create something using Automator, and there are probably shutdown
> > utilities that give you control.
> >
> > You can map the "apple" menu in "Keyboard Shortcuts" as a shortcut for the
> > Finder App. Two problems. Not "global". Finder must be foreground. Second
> > is that this still brings up the shut down dialog. The upside is that it can
> > be mapped to any keystroke or even multiples.
> >
> > This works for Sleep though and probably for Restart.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > tod
> >
> > On Nov 17, 2011, at 12:14 PM, James C. Hamm wrote:
> >
> >> > Tod, yes, I can just press the power button and a dialog box comes up with
> >> several options: restart, sleep, cancel, shut down. This is easy to do, but I
> >> was just curious if there was another key to use instead of eject. Not a big
> >> deal for me, just curious as I do use keyboard shortcuts a lot.
> >> >
> >> > As to your question on HTML, and Unicode 8, sorry, I don't know. Thanks for
> >> your comments....Jim
> >> >
> >> > On Nov 17, 2011, at 8:45 AM, Tod Hopkins wrote:
> >> >
> >>> > > You can press the power button and then enter, assuming Shut Down is the
> >>> default in the Shut Down dialog. Not sure how reliably that is true. Does
> >>> not solve the sleep and restart, though restart seems to be the secondard
> >>> default. Is that shift-enter? I can't remember. That's two key presses, but
> >>> not much harder than the four-key shutdown considering the eject and power
> >>> are in more or less the same place.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Cheers,
> >>> > > tod
> >>> > >
> >>> > > On Nov 17, 2011, at 9:40 AM, James C. Hamm wrote:
> >>> > >
> >>>> > > > Hi all....I'm a big fan of keyboard shortcuts, and a few that I used
> >>>> on a MacBook Pro, which had an optical drive with an eject key, no longer
> >>>> work on my MacBook Air, which has no optical drive and, hence, no eject
> >>>> key. Would anyone know a keyboard shortcut I could use on my Air for the
> >>>> following? Looks like I need a key to take the place of an eject key.
> >>>> Thanks much....Jim
> >>>> > > >
> >>>> > > > 1) sleep: option+cmd+eject
> >>>> > > > 2) restart: ctrl+cmd+eject
> >>>> > > > 3) shutdown: ctrl+eject
> >>>> > > >
> >>>> > > > Here's one for you, which is fun to use occasionally: shift+opt+K=
> >>>> > > >
> >>>> > > > Think Different…
> >>>> > > >
> >>>> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >>>> > > >
> >>>> > > >
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Tod Hopkins
> >>> > > Hillmann & Carr Inc.
> >>> > > todhopkins@hillmanncarr.com <mailto:todhopkins%40hillmanncarr.com>
> >>> > >
> >>> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >>> > >
> >>> > >
> >> >
> >> > Think Different…
> >> >
> >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >> >
> >> >
> >
> > Tod Hopkins
> > Hillmann & Carr Inc.
> > todhopkins@hillmanncarr.com <mailto:todhopkins%40hillmanncarr.com>
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

Tod Hopkins
Hillmann & Carr Inc.
todhopkins@hillmanncarr.com

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5a.

Re: password question re:new folder.

Posted by: "Don" y-groups.96705@hawaiiantel.net   don.96705

Thu Nov 17, 2011 9:23 am (PST)



Jeannie

I think the procedure you are using is trying to create a folder at the Mac HD level, which is Read only except for system users.

If you drill down to Mac HD/Users/Jeannie [or whatever your user id is] you will be able to create folders without requiring a password.

Don at 21.9N 159.6W
Mac Pro 2-2.93 GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon
OS X 10.7.1
6GB Ram

On Nov 11, 2011, at 13:10, Jeannie wrote:

> I upgraded to Lion finally about a week ago. I was just working on some
> Photos in Lightroom and wanted to send them to a new folder.( I clicked on
> mac. HD, then I went to file the way I always do, selected new folder, and
> got a popup box that said finder wanted to make changes, and to put in my
> pass word. What is happening? I could make all the new folders I wanted to
> with snow lion , without having to put in a password. Is there anything I
> can do to change having to do this?
>
> Thanks,
> Jeannie
>
> --
> Jeannie
> View my images :
> http://www.pbase.com/nikonjeannie
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Group FAQ:
> <http://www.macsupportcentral.com/policies/>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

6a.

IPad and kindle fire

Posted by: "Blaine Gordon" blainegordon@ymail.com   blainegordon@ymail.com

Thu Nov 17, 2011 9:37 am (PST)



I have an iPad and my mother has a kindle fire. I set both Up and act as tech support for her kindle fire. The iPad is much more powerful and user friendly, however the kindle fire automatically retrieved all her books from her old kindle. She can get her email and the browser is quite functional. She has all the apps she needs. I suppose choosing between an iPad and the kindle fire is not so much a matter of price as it is what you plan to do. For me I needed the power and usability of the iPad so I shelled out the extra money. My point is there is no comparison just a choice based on intended use.
Sent from my iPad

6b.

Re: IPad and kindle fire

Posted by: "Curby Keith" clkeith50@yahoo.com   clkeith50

Thu Nov 17, 2011 9:45 am (PST)



I have to agree. Different devices, different uses. My 7" Android tablet gets almost as much use as my iPad. My wife liked it enough that she ordered a Fire to use in place of her iPad sometimes.

Curby Keith
Del City, OK

On Nov 17, 2011, at 11:37 AM, Blaine Gordon <blainegordon@ymail.com> wrote:

> I have an iPad and my mother has a kindle fire. I set both Up and act as tech support for her kindle fire. The iPad is much more powerful and user friendly, however the kindle fire automatically retrieved all her books from her old kindle. She can get her email and the browser is quite functional. She has all the apps she needs. I suppose choosing between an iPad and the kindle fire is not so much a matter of price as it is what you plan to do. For me I needed the power and usability of the iPad so I shelled out the extra money. My point is there is no comparison just a choice based on intended use.
> Sent from my iPad
>
>

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6c.

Re: IPad and kindle fire

Posted by: "Jim Saklad" jimdoc@me.com   jimdoc01

Thu Nov 17, 2011 10:25 am (PST)



> I have to agree. Different devices, different uses. My 7" Android tablet gets almost as much use as my iPad. My wife liked it enough that she ordered a Fire to use in place of her iPad sometimes.
> Curby Keith

Curby - get back to us in a few weeks with a report on how she feels - the impressions of an iPad user who had also tried a Fire will be very interesting.

The reviews I've seen have been pretty uniformly bad for the Fire.

--
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Jim Saklad mailto:jimdoc@me.com

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7a.

Re: Sidebar issues

Posted by: "Denver Dan" denver.dan@verizon.net   denverdan22180

Thu Nov 17, 2011 9:57 am (PST)



Howdy.

Welcome to Macintosh, newbie.

There is an album on the MacSupportCentral group site online with a
detailed screen capture that shows all the names of Finder window parts
and what you can do with some of the parts to customize them.

Use you web browser and access MacSupportCentral on Yahoo.

<http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/macsupportcentral/>

You will need to log in with your Yahoo user name and password.

Open the Photos section.

Albums are in alpha order.

Find the album named Finder Info and click it.

Inside is a JPEG file named Finder Window Names. Click to enlarge.

Denver Dan

On Thu, 17 Nov 2011 06:50:28 -0500, titnaw titnaw wrote:
> I am a newbie who is trying to learn all I can from this group
> Dumb question: what is a sidebar
> thank you
> titnaw

8.

Finder Window Parts Explained for Newbies

Posted by: "Denver Dan" denver.dan@verizon.net   denverdan22180

Thu Nov 17, 2011 10:05 am (PST)



Howdy.

I just added a screen capture of a Mac Finder window (from Mac OS X
10.7 Lion) to an album online in MacSupportCentral.

This would be an easy way for new Mac users to learn the names of the
various parts and components of a Finder window.

In addition, the graphic explains how to turn on and to use a couple of
features to make Finder windows more useful.

Use your web browser and access MacSupportCentral on Yahoo. You will
need to login to Yahoo Groups with your Yahoo user name and password.

<http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/macsupportcentral/>

Open the Photos section.

Albums are in alpha order.

Find the album named Finder Info and click it.

Inside is a JPEG file named Finder Window Names. Click to enlarge.

Most items in these image albums can be copied to your own computer.

Some are informative, some are humorous.

Denver Dan

9a.

Re: I lost the "Address Book" option in Mail in Lion

Posted by: "Tanya Metaksa" tanya.metaksa@att.net   tanya.metaksa@att.net

Thu Nov 17, 2011 11:33 am (PST)



Could you tell those of us who can not find the icon, how you found it?
Thanks,
Tanya
On Nov 10, 2011, at 9:18 AM, halboye18 wrote:

> I found out how to add it ... thanks ... all's well (so far)
>
> hal
> hal.horwitz@comcast.net
>
>
> --- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com, "halboye18" <hal.horwitz@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > i see no such icon ... how do i get it to show?
> >
> >
> > hal
> > hal.horwitz@...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com, Forrest Leedy <f.leedy@> wrote:
> > >
> > > When you open a blank or a reply email you should see at the top a series of icons. The first one is for the address book. It has a gray picture of a person on it.
> > >
> > > Forrest
> > >
> > > On Nov 10, 2011, at 11:26 AM, halboye18 wrote:
> > >
> > > > In Mail I used the "Address Book" icon in Snow Leopard a lot when I wanted to send an email to groups. I cannot find this function in Lion ... can you help me find it?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks very much,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > hal
> > > > hal.horwitz@
> > >
> >
>
>

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9b.

Re: I lost the "Address Book" option in Mail in Lion

Posted by: "Denver Dan" denver.dan@verizon.net   denverdan22180

Thu Nov 17, 2011 12:01 pm (PST)



Howdy.

Do you mean you "lost" the >Dock< icon for Address Book?

If so, then you can find applications in the Applications folder. Drag
the Address Book icon from Applications folder to the Dock and you have
the icon back on the Dock.

Same with any other Dock icon. The Dock is a customizable feature.

Denver Dan

On Thu, 17 Nov 2011 11:33:57 -0800, Tanya Metaksa wrote:
> Could you tell those of us who can not find the icon, how you found it?
> Thanks,
> Tanya

10.

iTunes App

Posted by: "Barbara Elbe" beadedimages@earthlink.net   missladybee

Thu Nov 17, 2011 2:04 pm (PST)



In the last day someone mentioned an app for just .99 in the iTunes Store (I think it was mentioned here). I believe it had to do with creating your own icons for iphone or ipad, but I'm not sure. They gave two links, one to the iTunes App the other I believe to the makers website.

Unfortunately I have deleted all the latest posts and I've tried to find the message in the Yahoo archives with no luck.

Thanks,
Barbara

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