11/17/2011

[macsupport] Digest Number 8566

Messages In This Digest (16 Messages)

1a.
Re: Tivo Transfer on Lion From: Jim Harry
2.1.
Re: iDefrag 2 News From: Steve B.
2.2.
Re: iDefrag 2 News From: Randy B. Singer
2.3.
Re: iDefrag 2 News From: Steve B.
2.4.
Re: iDefrag 2 News From: HAL9000
2.5.
Re: iDefrag 2 News From: Randy B. Singer
3a.
Re: Sidebar issues From: Jay Abraham
3b.
Re: Sidebar issues From: Harry Flaxman
3c.
Re: Sidebar issues From: Jay Abraham
3d.
Re: Sidebar issues From: Denver Dan
4.1.
Re: Directories From: N.A. Nada
4.2.
Re: Directories From: Christopher Collins
5a.
OT: uploading video to YouTube (failed!) From: DaveC
5b.
Re: OT: uploading video to YouTube (failed!) From: lpnalda@gmail.com
6.
Building a PDF in Preview? From: DaveC
7a.
Re: itunes won't play From: Harry Flaxman

Messages

1a.

Re: Tivo Transfer on Lion

Posted by: "Jim Harry" jim.harry@harryfamily.com   jnharry

Wed Nov 16, 2011 4:34 pm (PST)



On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 1:09 PM, Jay Abraham <jaygroups@abrahamgroup.net> wrote:
> I've been trying to use iTivo and when comparing both times it looks comparable.  However on my new Mac mini, iTivo seems to take a long time to launch and connect to the Tivo.  During this time it seems unresponsive.  Also when switching Tivo boxes, it takes around 30 sec - 1 minute to switch over and looks unresponsive.  Is this normal or is there something I should do to fix what's happening on my Mac.

I get that sluggishness as well. I should probably see if someone
else has reported it to the developers.

2.1.

Re: iDefrag 2 News

Posted by: "Steve B." macosx@xebrawerx.com   xebrawerx

Wed Nov 16, 2011 5:15 pm (PST)




"Mac OS X 10.3 Panther can also automatically defragment such slow-growing files. This process is sometimes known as "Hot-File-Adaptive-Clustering.""

As I said earlier, defragging began with OS X Panther.

Thanks Tod for digging that out of Apple's website. It also explains why fewer than 400 files on my disk were fragmented out of 1,400,000 total. Props to Apple for this implementation. It's made every version of OS X since 10.3 more efficient at read/write than anything Apple produced before.

As (I think) Denver Dan pointed out, if you're a video editor or perhaps photo editor then you might use a third party util to assist with file or disk defrag. For the rest of us it's a waste of money.

As an Über geek I bought iDefrag. However, even as a license holder it's just not worth running very often.

Steve B.

On Nov 16, 2011, at 1:22 PM, Tod Hopkins wrote:

On Nov 16, 2011, at 11:36 AM, Denver Dan wrote:
> In recent years, Apple has stated that defragmentation is not
> required. I think this is not exactly the case but that the average
> user would not see a huge benefit in frequent defragmentation.

I believe both you and Apple are backed up by a lot of data on this subject. Active defrag is unnecessary. To be brutal, new defrag software would never be written today. These are legacy apps looking for something to do.

Apple explains it pretty well actually.

http://support.apple.com/kb/ht1375

Cheers,
tod

Tod Hopkins
Hillmann & Carr Inc.
todhopkins@hillmanncarr.com

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2.2.

Re: iDefrag 2 News

Posted by: "Randy B. Singer" randy@macattorney.com   randybrucesinger

Wed Nov 16, 2011 7:25 pm (PST)




On Nov 16, 2011, at 5:15 PM, Steve B. wrote:

> As (I think) Denver Dan pointed out, if you're a video editor or
> perhaps photo editor then you might use a third party util to
> assist with file or disk defrag. For the rest of us it's a waste of
> money.

MacFixIt disagrees. They wrote an article on defragmenting hard
drives, including a test of iDefrag:
http://www.macfixit.com/article.php?story=20070301091515843
"...in our informal testing, we noticed significantly snappier
operation of Spotlight and quicker response from Mail.app after
performing only the least invasive of iDefrag's optimization routines."
"The bottom line is that users with large files will benefit most
greatly from defragmentation routines in Mac OS X. However, use of
the disk optimization routines offered by tools like iDefrag can also
serve as a boon to casual users of Mac OS X looking for a speed boost."

If nothing else, I've found that defragmenting one's hard drive with
iDefrag is useful in that it makes startup almost instantaneous.
It's almost as if my Mac is in a hurry to startup after running iDefrag.

Once again, folks may want to have a look at my Web site and follow a
few of the links to get the real story.

___________________________________________
Randy B. Singer
Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions)

Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance
http://www.macattorney.com/ts.html
___________________________________________

2.3.

Re: iDefrag 2 News

Posted by: "Steve B." macosx@xebrawerx.com   xebrawerx

Wed Nov 16, 2011 7:33 pm (PST)



Randy,

You've goaded me into running iDefrag again. I'll let it run overnight (as it needs) and report back here.

Steve B.

On Nov 16, 2011, at 9:25 PM, Randy B. Singer wrote:

On Nov 16, 2011, at 5:15 PM, Steve B. wrote:

> As (I think) Denver Dan pointed out, if you're a video editor or
> perhaps photo editor then you might use a third party util to
> assist with file or disk defrag. For the rest of us it's a waste of
> money.

MacFixIt disagrees. They wrote an article on defragmenting hard
drives, including a test of iDefrag:
http://www.macfixit.com/article.php?story=20070301091515843
"...in our informal testing, we noticed significantly snappier
operation of Spotlight and quicker response from Mail.app after
performing only the least invasive of iDefrag's optimization routines."
"The bottom line is that users with large files will benefit most
greatly from defragmentation routines in Mac OS X. However, use of
the disk optimization routines offered by tools like iDefrag can also
serve as a boon to casual users of Mac OS X looking for a speed boost."

If nothing else, I've found that defragmenting one's hard drive with
iDefrag is useful in that it makes startup almost instantaneous.
It's almost as if my Mac is in a hurry to startup after running iDefrag.

Once again, folks may want to have a look at my Web site and follow a
few of the links to get the real story.

___________________________________________
Randy B. Singer
Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions)

Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance
http://www.macattorney.com/ts.html
___________________________________________

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2.4.

Re: iDefrag 2 News

Posted by: "HAL9000" jrswebhome@yahoo.com   jrswebhome

Wed Nov 16, 2011 8:57 pm (PST)



I don't understand the myth. If I run iDefrag I am watching the actual scattered fragmented files being stripped and reassigned position. I can see gaps in my data disappear as it runs. I see files gathered.

My disk is being optimized just like my disks in the past have been optimized. My Mac runs faster afterwards. Why wouldn't anyone believe a computer runs slower w fragmented files. Running iDefrag I can plainly see that OSX scatters my data in many fragments. Let me restate: I can actually see fragmented files defragged and optimized w iDefrag.

It's like a huge non issue to me or maybe I am missing the point.

jr

--- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com, "Steve B." <macosx@...> wrote:
>
> Randy,
>
> You've goaded me into running iDefrag again. I'll let it run overnight (as it needs) and report back here.
>
> Steve B.
>
>
> On Nov 16, 2011, at 9:25 PM, Randy B. Singer wrote:
>
>
> On Nov 16, 2011, at 5:15 PM, Steve B. wrote:
>
> > As (I think) Denver Dan pointed out, if you're a video editor or
> > perhaps photo editor then you might use a third party util to
> > assist with file or disk defrag. For the rest of us it's a waste of
> > money.
>
> MacFixIt disagrees. They wrote an article on defragmenting hard
> drives, including a test of iDefrag:
> http://www.macfixit.com/article.php?story=20070301091515843
> "...in our informal testing, we noticed significantly snappier
> operation of Spotlight and quicker response from Mail.app after
> performing only the least invasive of iDefrag's optimization routines."
> "The bottom line is that users with large files will benefit most
> greatly from defragmentation routines in Mac OS X. However, use of
> the disk optimization routines offered by tools like iDefrag can also
> serve as a boon to casual users of Mac OS X looking for a speed boost."
>
> If nothing else, I've found that defragmenting one's hard drive with
> iDefrag is useful in that it makes startup almost instantaneous.
> It's almost as if my Mac is in a hurry to startup after running iDefrag.
>
> Once again, folks may want to have a look at my Web site and follow a
> few of the links to get the real story.
>
> ___________________________________________
> Randy B. Singer
> Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions)
>
> Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance
> http://www.macattorney.com/ts.html
> ___________________________________________
>

2.5.

Re: iDefrag 2 News

Posted by: "Randy B. Singer" randy@macattorney.com   randybrucesinger

Wed Nov 16, 2011 9:21 pm (PST)




On Nov 16, 2011, at 8:57 PM, HAL9000 wrote:

> It's like a huge non issue to me or maybe I am missing the point.

You aren't missing the point. You got it.

I think that part of the basis for the myth is that Apple issued a
tech note:
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1375?viewlocale=en_US

Where they say:

"You probably won't need to optimize at all if you use Mac OS X."

Most folks turn off their brain at that point and take it for gospel
that fragmentation doesn't occur under OS X. However, if you read
that article more carefully, Apple doesn't really say that
fragmentation doesn't occur under OS X, or that OS X handles all
fragmentation. In fact, that article actually says that using a
defragmentation utility might be beneficial if "you often modify or
create large files". The thing is, many users modify lots of files
all the time, and many users create large files.

And, it turns out, this all becomes more important depending on how
you use your Mac, and how full your hard drive is.

It's true that if you have a new Mac, with a huge hard drive, and all
that you ever use your Mac for is to send e-mail and write letters to
your grandmother in Text Edit, you probably wouldn't benefit from
defragmenting your hard drive. But if you are the type who is
downloading a lot of movies, and music, and you like to try lots of
new games and other software, and your hard drive will be more than
half full long before you move on to a new Mac, then disk
fragmentation may be an issue that you want to keep in the back of
your mind.

I created my Web site, and I've included a ton of citations on the
site, to help combat the misinformation going around on issues like
this one.

___________________________________________
Randy B. Singer
Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions)

Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance
http://www.macattorney.com/ts.html
___________________________________________

3a.

Re: Sidebar issues

Posted by: "Jay Abraham" jaygroups@abrahamgroup.net   kerala01212001

Wed Nov 16, 2011 5:21 pm (PST)



No. In Lion dragging off doesn't work. Right clicking and selecting remove from sidebar does work for things I added but it doesn't seem to work for this one that got migrated over.

Jay

Mobile Reply

On Nov 16, 2011, at 5:58 PM, Otto Nikolaus <otto.nikolaus@googlemail.com> wrote:

> Can't you simply drag it off?
>
> Otto
>
> On 16 November 2011 22:10, Jay Abraham <jaygroups@abrahamgroup.net> wrote:
>
> > Anyone know how to remove something from the Sidebar. I have an old
> > application that migrated there when I did the initial migration from the
> > old computer. I did not migrate the application though so the link to
> > Adobe Standard doesn't go anywhere.
> >
> > I can't select it to right click though if I double click it, it will open
> > up a blank folder. I know I can delete other stuff from the sidebar with a
> > right click but not this icon for Adobe Standard.
> >
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

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3b.

Re: Sidebar issues

Posted by: "Harry Flaxman" harry.flaxman@comcast.net   hflaxman001

Wed Nov 16, 2011 5:29 pm (PST)



Command click drag does work.

Harry

On Nov 16, 2011, at 8:21 PM, Jay Abraham wrote:

> No. In Lion dragging off doesn't work. Right clicking and selecting remove from sidebar does work for things I added but it doesn't seem to work for this one that got migrated over.
>
> Jay

Harry Flaxman
harry.flaxman@comcast.net

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3c.

Re: Sidebar issues

Posted by: "Jay Abraham" jaygroups@abrahamgroup.net   kerala01212001

Wed Nov 16, 2011 6:09 pm (PST)



I agree for most items but not this Adobe alias that migrated over when I set up the new computer. I didn't migrate over the applications because most were PowerPC based apps.

Jay

Mobile Reply

On Nov 16, 2011, at 7:29 PM, Harry Flaxman <harry.flaxman@comcast.net> wrote:

> Command click drag does work.
>
> Harry
>
> On Nov 16, 2011, at 8:21 PM, Jay Abraham wrote:
>
> > No. In Lion dragging off doesn't work. Right clicking and selecting remove from sidebar does work for things I added but it doesn't seem to work for this one that got migrated over.
> >
> > Jay
>
> Harry Flaxman
> harry.flaxman@comcast.net
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

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3d.

Re: Sidebar issues

Posted by: "Denver Dan" denver.dan@verizon.net   denverdan22180

Wed Nov 16, 2011 8:34 pm (PST)



Howdy.

Press Command while dragging icon from Sidebar (in Lion).

Denver Dan

On Wed, 16 Nov 2011 16:10:07 -0600, Jay Abraham wrote:
> Anyone know how to remove something from the Sidebar. I have an old
> application that migrated there when I did the initial migration from
> the old computer. I did not migrate the application though so the
> link to Adobe Standard doesn't go anywhere.
>
> I can't select it to right click though if I double click it, it will
> open up a blank folder. I know I can delete other stuff from the
> sidebar with a right click but not this icon for Adobe Standard.
>
> Jay

4.1.

Re: Directories

Posted by: "N.A. Nada" whodo678@comcast.net

Wed Nov 16, 2011 9:08 pm (PST)




On Nov 16, 2011, at 6:30 AM, James Robertson wrote:

> This thread is approaching EOL. It's clear to me from Jeannie's early messages that you're exactly correct; she did NOT understand the organization of files/folders in Mac OS X. And, in Windows, she WAS putting folders directly at the root level of the C drive.
>
> Several of us suggested that there was a reason for Apple's decision to make it more difficult to put user data at the root level of the drive. Todd stated that he found Apple's imposition of its idea of order on a user's behavior to be an unwelcome imposition. A few of us responded that we thought it appropriate for Apple to help users not to make a mess of their hard drives. Todd responded most recently that his objection is actually not that he thinks users should have unfettered ability to write data on their drives anywhere they please, but that the manner in which Apple has configured user access to their drives is needlessly complicated and not understood by many users (the very fact that this thread has gone on so long testifies that he's correct).

I don't know, I don't see this thread as dying down. I think we will see this issue come back repeatedly.

It seems that there are two camps on this issue.

One that wants unfettered access for all to everything, and the other who does not mind that there is a easily bypassed restriction for the OS portion of the drive.

As I see it, Apple is trying to make it more difficult for new users and those who don't really understand the problems they could be making for themselves by placing files or modifying the OS portion of the drive. Requiring a password is more like a reminder than a prohibition.

If the user does not know what the admin password, they probably should not be going there. In the OP's case, it caused her to seek help, which caused others on the list to tell her that it was not the best practices to place those files there.

Apple didn't "weld the hood shut", they just slowed the casual user from going where a higher skill level is needed. Most of the list members here meet or exceed that minimum skill level.

Let me leave you with a couple of last thoughts:

How many of the list members here have had to straighten out a System folder where a small child has rearranged or deleted a few files or folders?

Or had to help someone, where a 3rd party app or tweak has mucked up the OS?

Requiring an admin password could have prevented many of these issues.

Brent

4.2.

Re: Directories

Posted by: "Christopher Collins" maclist@analogdigital.com.au   cjc1959au

Wed Nov 16, 2011 10:41 pm (PST)



Many, many times. Usually after that have either gotten a virus or have mucked something up and it's even harder to resolve.

With these jobs now, I just put the old hard disk into an external box for them and replace the drive. Much less expensive than copying the drive for them.

Then you set everything up correctly on the new hard drive, and sit and explain to the user why things are now setup this way.

Their old drive (with all their data) is in the external box, and after they are positive they have all their data off it, you can reformat it and get them to do backups with it.

cjc

On 17/11/2011, at 4:08 PM, N.A. Nada wrote:

>
> On Nov 16, 2011, at 6:30 AM, James Robertson wrote:
>
>
>
> Let me leave you with a couple of last thoughts:
>
> How many of the list members here have had to straighten out a System folder where a small child has rearranged or deleted a few files or folders?
>
> Or had to help someone, where a 3rd party app or tweak has mucked up the OS?
>
> Requiring an admin password could have prevented many of these issues.
>
> Brent
>
>

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5a.

OT: uploading video to YouTube (failed!)

Posted by: "DaveC" davec2468@yahoo.com   davec2468

Wed Nov 16, 2011 10:03 pm (PST)



The reason given is "unable to convert video file). The type of video
I'm trying to upload is .mov

It's only a few seconds long, so size shouldn't be the reason.

I tried to different browsers. No joy.

Ideas?

Thanks
Dave
--
2011 Mac mini 2.7 GHz i7 / 4 GB / 750 GB
OS X 10.7.2

5b.

Re: OT: uploading video to YouTube (failed!)

Posted by: "lpnalda@gmail.com" lpnalda@gmail.com   lpnalda

Wed Nov 16, 2011 11:43 pm (PST)



I've had thos problealyy
M as well. Finallyga r up and now just post directly on Facebook.
--
Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

DaveC <davec2468@yahoo.com> wrote:

The reason given is "unable to convert video file). The type of video
I'm trying to upload is .mov

It's only a few seconds long, so size shouldn't be the reason.

I tried to different browsers. No joy.

Ideas?

Thanks
Dave
--
2011 Mac mini 2.7 GHz i7 / 4 GB / 750 GB
OS X 10.7.2

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6.

Building a PDF in Preview?

Posted by: "DaveC" davec2468@yahoo.com   davec2468

Wed Nov 16, 2011 11:12 pm (PST)



I was under the impression (and I thought I had done this before)
that I could open several single-page PDF files in Preveiw (and
display each of their thumbnail images in the side-bar of each file)
and grab each thumbnail and drop it into the side bar of one of these
documents. Then I could save this (or Save As...) and voila!, I have
assembled a PDF from several individual PDFs.

But this is not what I get now.

I can drop thumbnails onto the side-bar of one of the documents, but
there is no Save or Save As..., only Save A Copy. When I choose that,
I can save the file, but when I open it up it consists of just one
page: it is the original page (without the others I had added).

(These are all original documents, scanned in by me today.)

It seems that Preview treats each PDF file individually, even after
"combining" thumbnails.

I thought that I read (here?) that Preview is more than just a
"reader" of files. I have scanned from an attached scanner into
Preview, edited images (crop, etc.). But it seems that it's PDF
capabililties are limited.

Is it (was it?) possible to create a multiple-page PDF in Preview by
joining several 1-page documents?

Thanks,
Dave
--
2011 Mac mini 2.7 GHz i7 / 4 GB / 750 GB
OS X 10.7.2
Preview 5.5.1

7a.

Re: itunes won't play

Posted by: "Harry Flaxman" harry.flaxman@comcast.net   hflaxman001

Thu Nov 17, 2011 2:39 am (PST)



Yes, connected by wire. I do have an issue with the drive whereby it will sleep if not accessed from time to time. I have noticed that the default library will be reset to 'factory settings' if the drive isn't available. It's done this right along for me though.

Harry

On Nov 16, 2011, at 2:19 AM, N.A. Nada wrote:

> Nope it is not supposed to happen every time. Only when you start up iTunes and it can not immediately find the external library.
>
> I've had mine on a Drobo since 10.4 or before, with no problems.
>
> I spoke to a former AppleCare Supervisor, currently an Apple Store Genius, and he is the one that told me of the change. I had already noticed that my preference of choosing the Drobo would not stick through a restart. One additional item might be that aggravate the issue, I connect to the Drobo by WiFi.
>
> Are you connected by wire to your external library? If iTunes can not immediately access the library, it will create another on the internal drive.
>
> Brent
>
>
> On Nov 15, 2011, at 10:44 PM, Harry Flaxman wrote:
>
>> Strange, I have my iTunes library on an external drive, and have for a couple of OS releases now. iTunes doesn't do what you describe, to me.
>>
>> Everything looks fine, no new library, no hanging.
>>
>> Is this supposed to happen each time?
>>
>> Harry
>>
>> On Nov 16, 2011, at 1:26 AM, N.A. Nada wrote:
>

Harry Flaxman
harry.flaxman@comcast.net

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