10/08/2012

[macsupport] Digest Number 9161

15 New Messages

Digest #9161
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Re: sleepimage   17GBs of it by "Doug Yelmen" dougyelmen
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Re: sleepimage   17GBs of it by "Doug Yelmen" dougyelmen
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Re: sleepimage   17GBs of it by "Doug Yelmen" dougyelmen
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Re: sleepimage   17GBs of it by "Chris Jones" bobstermcbob
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Re: sleepimage   17GBs of it by "Michael P. Stupinski" mstupinski
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called apple by "Doug Yelmen" dougyelmen
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Re: called apple by "Chris Jones" bobstermcbob
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Re: called apple by "N.A. Nada"
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Is there a way to disable MAIL? by "neelie" neeliec2000
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Re: Is there a way to disable MAIL? by "Daly Jessup" dalyjessup
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Apple ID and password by "Jim Smith" jimmacsmith
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Re: Apple ID and password by "Dane Robison" macdane1
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adapter advice for mbp for UK by "Hester Reik" drhester_06107
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Re: adapter advice for mbp for UK by "Barry Austern" barryaus

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Mon Oct 8, 2012 9:21 am (PDT) . Posted by:

"Doug Yelmen" dougyelmen

only two?
:-)
doug
Doug Yelmen
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I don't paint things. I only paint the difference between things." ~ Henri Matisse

On Oct 8, 2012, at 8:18 AM, Michael P. Stupinski <mpstupinski@snet.net> wrote:

> Thanks for the link, Tim. I had never heard the term before. As I'm fond of saying, I learn something new every day, which important. It keeps me from falling too far behind because at my age I forget at least two things every day.
>
> .......Mike
>
> On Oct 8, 2012, at 11:06 AM, "Tim O'Donoghue" <tjod@drizzle.net> wrote:
>
>> It seems that Doug likely has 16 gb RAM on his system so the sleepimage file is the same size:
>>
>> http://osxdaily.com/2010/10/11/sleepimage-mac/
>>
>>
>> On Oct 8, 2012, at 7:43 AM, mpstupinski@snet.net wrote:
>>
>>> Doug,
>>>
>>> For me and any others not aware of it, what the heck is sleepimage? 17GB of ANYTHING that shouldn't be there sounds like a major problem!
>>>
>>> ...........Mike
>>>
>>> --- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com, Doug Yelmen <dougyelmen@...> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> i suddenly inherited 17GBs of sleepimage. i've read it can be gotten rid of. i entered the command line i read from some guy off of google.
>>>> but it came back. it wasn't there until recently?
>>>> can someone tell me how to get rid of it. it is important (to me) because it is on my only 120GB SSD. (i shoulda)
>>>> thanks,
>>>>
>>>> doug
>>>> Doug Yelmen
>>>> dougyelmen@...
>>>>
>>>> I don't paint things. I only paint the difference between things." ~ Henri Matisse
>>>>
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Mon Oct 8, 2012 9:23 am (PDT) . Posted by:

"Doug Yelmen" dougyelmen

my point is it was never there at 17GBs before last week.
doug
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I don't paint things. I only paint the difference between things." ~ Henri Matisse

On Oct 8, 2012, at 8:32 AM, Chris Jones <jonesc@hep.phy.cam.ac.uk> wrote:

> On 08/10/12 16:29, Doug Yelmen wrote:
>> thanks, Mike.
>> the page Tim put in his reply is the same page i used to try to get rid of it.
>> http://osxdaily.com/2010/10/11/sleepimage-mac/
>> i might call Apple.
>
> What do you expect them to say.... This file is *needed* when your
> machine is put to sleep. You can delete it if you want, but it will
> always comeback eventually, unless you never put your machine to sleep
> again... I'm afraid but you are just going to have to accept it I think.
>
> cheers Chris
>
>> doug
>> Doug Yelmen
>> dougyelmen@earthlink.net
>>
>> I don't paint things. I only paint the difference between things." ~ Henri Matisse
>>
>> On Oct 8, 2012, at 7:43 AM, mpstupinski@snet.net wrote:
>>
>>> Doug,
>>>
>>> For me and any others not aware of it, what the heck is sleepimage? 17GB of ANYTHING that shouldn't be there sounds like a major problem!
>>>
>>> ...........Mike
>>>
>>> --- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com, Doug Yelmen<dougyelmen@...> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> i suddenly inherited 17GBs of sleepimage. i've read it can be gotten rid of. i entered the command line i read from some guy off of google.
>>>> but it came back. it wasn't there until recently?
>>>> can someone tell me how to get rid of it. it is important (to me) because it is on my only 120GB SSD. (i shoulda)
>>>> thanks,
>>>>
>>>> doug
>>>> Doug Yelmen
>>>> dougyelmen@...
>>>>
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>>>>
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Mon Oct 8, 2012 9:23 am (PDT) . Posted by:

"Doug Yelmen" dougyelmen

good info, Jim. thanks.
doug
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I don't paint things. I only paint the difference between things." ~ Henri Matisse

On Oct 8, 2012, at 8:32 AM, Jim Saklad <jimdoc@me.com> wrote:

>> For me and any others not aware of it, what the heck is sleepimage? 17GB of ANYTHING that shouldn't be there sounds like a major problem!
>
> Google finds LOTS of useful stuff on this.
> <http://osxdaily.com/2010/10/11/sleepimage-mac/>
> <http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=291609>
>
> The MacOS has different levels of energy-saving sleep.
>
> In SLEEP mode:
> machine will go to sleep only (saves state in RAM only, battery keeps RAM contents)
>
> In HIBERNATE mode:
> machine will go to hibernate only. (saves state on disk, battery will not be used)
>
> The default mode is sleep AND hibernate -- machine sleeps and hibernates.
>
> In hibernate mode the system copies the contents of RAM to the hard drive so that it (the system) can go into DEEP sleep (hibernate) to save the power otherwise used to maintain data in volatile RAM. This obviously requires as much storage space on the drive as you have RAM. This is called the sleepimage.
>
> There is also a neat little app called SmartSleep at
> <http://www.jinx.de/SmartSleep.html>
> or in the Mac App Store at
> <http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/smartsleep/id407721554?mt=12>
> that lets you easily set and change this parameter.
>
> Until the sleep parameter is reset away from hibernate, deleting the sleepimage is futile, because the system will re-create it.
>
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Mon Oct 8, 2012 9:25 am (PDT) . Posted by:

"Chris Jones" bobstermcbob

On 08/10/12 17:23, Doug Yelmen wrote:
> my point is it was never there at 17GBs before last week.

you probably then hadn't done whatever was needed to create it, like
hibernate.

> doug
> Doug Yelmen
> dougyelmen@earthlink.net
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> I don't paint things. I only paint the difference between things." ~ Henri Matisse
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> On Oct 8, 2012, at 8:32 AM, Chris Jones<jonesc@hep.phy.cam.ac.uk> wrote:
>
>> On 08/10/12 16:29, Doug Yelmen wrote:
>>> thanks, Mike.
>>> the page Tim put in his reply is the same page i used to try to get rid of it.
>>> http://osxdaily.com/2010/10/11/sleepimage-mac/
>>> i might call Apple.
>>
>> What do you expect them to say.... This file is *needed* when your
>> machine is put to sleep. You can delete it if you want, but it will
>> always comeback eventually, unless you never put your machine to sleep
>> again... I'm afraid but you are just going to have to accept it I think.
>>
>> cheers Chris
>>
>>> doug
>>> Doug Yelmen
>>> dougyelmen@earthlink.net
>>>
>>> I don't paint things. I only paint the difference between things." ~ Henri Matisse
>>>
>>> On Oct 8, 2012, at 7:43 AM, mpstupinski@snet.net wrote:
>>>
>>>> Doug,
>>>>
>>>> For me and any others not aware of it, what the heck is sleepimage? 17GB of ANYTHING that shouldn't be there sounds like a major problem!
>>>>
>>>> ...........Mike
>>>>
>>>> --- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com, Doug Yelmen<dougyelmen@...> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> i suddenly inherited 17GBs of sleepimage. i've read it can be gotten rid of. i entered the command line i read from some guy off of google.
>>>>> but it came back. it wasn't there until recently?
>>>>> can someone tell me how to get rid of it. it is important (to me) because it is on my only 120GB SSD. (i shoulda)
>>>>> thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>> doug
>>>>> Doug Yelmen
>>>>> dougyelmen@...
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't paint things. I only paint the difference between things." ~ Henri Matisse
>>>>>
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Mon Oct 8, 2012 9:30 am (PDT) . Posted by:

"N.A. Nada"

Doug, from the sound of it, it is part of the OS. I'm guessing you found it in a hidden folder. That is why Apple hid it, so people would not play with it and other things.

That and the next OS upgrade will probably reinstall it if you delete the ability of the system to create it.

KISS, Keep It Simple Sam. Or in other words, the more you modify your system, the more problems you probably will encounter, and the harder it will be to troubleshoot.

Brent

On Oct 8, 2012, at 8:29 AM, Doug Yelmen wrote:

thanks, Mike.
the page Tim put in his reply is the same page i used to try to get rid of it.
http://osxdaily.com/2010/10/11/sleepimage-mac/
i might call Apple.
doug
Doug Yelmen
dougyelmen@earthlink.net

I don't paint things. I only paint the difference between things." ~ Henri Matisse

On Oct 8, 2012, at 7:43 AM, mpstupinski@snet.net wrote:

> Doug,
>
> For me and any others not aware of it, what the heck is sleepimage? 17GB of ANYTHING that shouldn't be there sounds like a major problem!
>
> ...........Mike
>
> --- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com, Doug Yelmen <dougyelmen@...> wrote:
>>
>> i suddenly inherited 17GBs of sleepimage. i've read it can be gotten rid of. i entered the command line i read from some guy off of google.
>> but it came back. it wasn't there until recently?
>> can someone tell me how to get rid of it. it is important (to me) because it is on my only 120GB SSD. (i shoulda)
>> thanks,
>>
>> doug
>> Doug Yelmen
>> dougyelmen@...
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>> I don't paint things. I only paint the difference between things." ~ Henri Matisse
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Mon Oct 8, 2012 11:11 am (PDT) . Posted by:

"Michael P. Stupinski" mstupinski

On my BEST days! Notice I said at LEAST two!

........Mike

On Oct 8, 2012, at 12:21 PM, Doug Yelmen <dougyelmen@earthlink.net> wrote:

> only two?
> :-)
> doug
> Doug Yelmen
> dougyelmen@earthlink.net
>
> I don't paint things. I only paint the difference between things." ~ Henri Matisse
>
> On Oct 8, 2012, at 8:18 AM, Michael P. Stupinski <mpstupinski@snet.net> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the link, Tim. I had never heard the term before. As I'm fond of saying, I learn something new every day, which important. It keeps me from falling too far behind because at my age I forget at least two things every day.
>>
>> .......Mike
>>
>> On Oct 8, 2012, at 11:06 AM, "Tim O'Donoghue" <tjod@drizzle.net> wrote:
>>
>>> It seems that Doug likely has 16 gb RAM on his system so the sleepimage file is the same size:
>>>
>>> http://osxdaily.com/2010/10/11/sleepimage-mac/
>>>
>>>
>>> On Oct 8, 2012, at 7:43 AM, mpstupinski@snet.net wrote:
>>>
>>>> Doug,
>>>>
>>>> For me and any others not aware of it, what the heck is sleepimage? 17GB of ANYTHING that shouldn't be there sounds like a major problem!
>>>>
>>>> ...........Mike
>>>>
>>>> --- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com, Doug Yelmen <dougyelmen@...> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> i suddenly inherited 17GBs of sleepimage. i've read it can be gotten rid of. i entered the command line i read from some guy off of google.
>>>>> but it came back. it wasn't there until recently?
>>>>> can someone tell me how to get rid of it. it is important (to me) because it is on my only 120GB SSD. (i shoulda)
>>>>> thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>> doug
>>>>> Doug Yelmen
>>>>> dougyelmen@...
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't paint things. I only paint the difference between things." ~ Henri Matisse
>>>>>
>>>>>
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Mon Oct 8, 2012 9:27 am (PDT) . Posted by:

"Doug Yelmen" dougyelmen

i called apple, and got to speak with a senior advisor. she walked me through the terminal instructions.
but, i still have the loss of 17 gigs of space.

so, i'd like to make a point here. apple was great. patient, and all. so, i heartily recommend most of you guys who
don't know terminal like a lot of folks here, do NOT accept what someone says on google. call Apple, instead.

i got a case number, the instructions didn't work. like Chris says (Maybe) i just have to accept it.

2nd piece of advise: get the biggest SSD you can afford, and then double it.
harrrrrrrrrr.

doug
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I don't paint things. I only paint the difference between things." ~ Henri Matisse

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Mon Oct 8, 2012 9:40 am (PDT) . Posted by:

"Chris Jones" bobstermcbob

Hi,

As I said, its there for a good reason. OSX doesn't general create large
files it doesn't need.

If you want to get rid of it, you need to disable the feature it is
needed for, which is hibernate. Ever left you machine to completely run
out of battery juice ? hibernate is what it does with its last gasp
before shutting down completely. If you are happy to live without this
useful feature, then fine, disable it. Your choice...

cheers Chris

On 08/10/12 17:27, Doug Yelmen wrote:
> i called apple, and got to speak with a senior advisor. she walked me through the terminal instructions.
> but, i still have the loss of 17 gigs of space.
>
>
> so, i'd like to make a point here. apple was great. patient, and all. so, i heartily recommend most of you guys who
> don't know terminal like a lot of folks here, do NOT accept what someone says on google. call Apple, instead.
>
> i got a case number, the instructions didn't work. like Chris says (Maybe) i just have to accept it.
>
> 2nd piece of advise: get the biggest SSD you can afford, and then double it.
> harrrrrrrrrr.
>
>
> doug
> Doug Yelmen
> dougyelmen@earthlink.net
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Mon Oct 8, 2012 10:36 am (PDT) . Posted by:

"N.A. Nada"

Besides what Chris is saying below, and what I eluded to, I don't see any info on your system.

The article Tim directed you to say that it matches the size of the system RAM. The "17 gigs" could easily be the rounding error from MB or KB, to GB. How much RAM does your system have?

Brent

On Oct 8, 2012, at 9:39 AM, Chris Jones wrote:

Hi,

As I said, its there for a good reason. OSX doesn't general create large
files it doesn't need.

If you want to get rid of it, you need to disable the feature it is
needed for, which is hibernate. Ever left you machine to completely run
out of battery juice ? hibernate is what it does with its last gasp
before shutting down completely. If you are happy to live without this
useful feature, then fine, disable it. Your choice...

cheers Chris

On 08/10/12 17:27, Doug Yelmen wrote:
> i called apple, and got to speak with a senior advisor. she walked me through the terminal instructions.
> but, i still have the loss of 17 gigs of space.
>
>
> so, i'd like to make a point here. apple was great. patient, and all. so, i heartily recommend most of you guys who
> don't know terminal like a lot of folks here, do NOT accept what someone says on google. call Apple, instead.
>
> i got a case number, the instructions didn't work. like Chris says (Maybe) i just have to accept it.
>
> 2nd piece of advise: get the biggest SSD you can afford, and then double it.
> harrrrrrrrrr.
>
>
> doug
> Doug Yelmen
> dougyelmen@earthlink.net
>
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Mon Oct 8, 2012 11:08 am (PDT) . Posted by:

"neelie" neeliec2000

I do not use the MAIL program that came with my iMac. I use Yahoo mail. I am using OS 10.6.8 and have no plans to update in the near future.

Many times when I click on a "send email" link within a webpage, that automatically starts opening the MAIL program, which I do not want to use. Then I have to force quit the MAIL program because it wants to start downloading all my Yahoo mail files.

Is there a way to disable the MAIL program? Or do I have to delete it?
If I did delete MAIL, would that affect my access to my Yahoo mail folders and data?

Thanks!

Mon Oct 8, 2012 3:32 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

"Daly Jessup" dalyjessup


On Oct 8, 2012, at 11:08 AM, neelie wrote:

> I do not use the MAIL program that came with my iMac. I use Yahoo mail. I am using OS 10.6.8 and have no plans to update in the near future.
>
> Many times when I click on a "send email" link within a webpage, that automatically starts opening the MAIL program, which I do not want to use. Then I have to force quit the MAIL program because it wants to start downloading all my Yahoo mail files.
>
> Is there a way to disable the MAIL program? Or do I have to delete it?
> If I did delete MAIL, would that affect my access to my Yahoo mail folders and data?

In Mail.app, under the Mail menu, in Preferences, do you have the option to choose your Yahoo mail as the default email program?

Daly

Mon Oct 8, 2012 12:15 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

"Jim Smith" jimmacsmith

I have lots of problem with entering my ID and/or password on my iPad and iPhone. Also with iCloud.

I know I have enter it correctly, I check after each char. is entered.

Starting today I will try once and if I not excepted I just won't do what ever I'm trying to do. I'll just do without.

Apple need to get it act together on this problem.

 Jim Smith 
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iMac 27 (2011), 3.4GHz Core i7. 8GB,OS X 10.7.4
iMac 21.5 (Late 2009), Memory 8GB,OS X 10.6.7
Mac Mini (Early 2009), Memory 4GB,OS X 10.6.7(wife)
iPod Touch (3rd Gen), 64GB; iPad WF+G3, 64GB
iPhone4 32GB Verizon
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Mon Oct 8, 2012 1:48 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

"Dane Robison" macdane1

The real problem we've seen with this issue is that there's no mechanism for recovering a forgotten password. So my wife's iPhone, iPad, MacBook and iTunes take turns failing to recognize her id/password, but Apple adds insult to injury by giving her just one way to get unstuck: create a new password. The new one can't be the same as anything recently used, so it's finally become impossible to remember her password after changing it dozens of times.

What a debacle.

Dane

On Oct 8, 2012, at 3:15 PM, Jim Smith wrote:

> I have lots of problem with entering my ID and/or password on my iPad and iPhone. Also with iCloud.
>
> I know I have enter it correctly, I check after each char. is entered.
>
> Starting today I will try once and if I not excepted I just won't do what ever I'm trying to do. I'll just do without.
>
> Apple need to get it act together on this problem.

Mon Oct 8, 2012 3:15 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

"Hester Reik" drhester_06107

Gurus,

I will be traveling to UK in a while to visit my daughter who is studying
there. Can someone steer me to an adapter that i can use for my macbook pro
(2009 unibody) there? One that is not the $35.00 World Traveler kit from
Apple? There must be something cheaper.

Thanks
hester

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Mon Oct 8, 2012 3:32 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

"Barry Austern" barryaus

At 6:15 PM -0400 10/8/12, Hester Reik wrote:

>
>
>Gurus,
>
>I will be traveling to UK in a while to visit my daughter who is studying
>there. Can someone steer me to an adapter that i can use for my macbook pro
>(2009 unibody) there? One that is not the $35.00 World Traveler kit from
>Apple? There must be something cheaper.

Your machine will work on either US voltage or the voltage of most of
the rest of the world, which is twice as high, so you do not need a
transformer. All you need is an adapter, which you can get for about
7 dollars or so. I've seen them in Target, WalMart, etc.
--
Barry Austern
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