10/15/2011

[macsupport] Digest Number 8494

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1a.

Re: Snow Leopard + iTunes 10.5: Recommended?

Posted by: "Jim Saklad" jimdoc@me.com   jimdoc01

Fri Oct 14, 2011 10:54 am (PDT)



> I'm still on Snow Leopard. Any issues/advice before deciding whether to go to iTunes 10.5?

If you have an iPhone 4, iPhone 3GS, or iPad, you will need iTunes 10.5 up upgrade to iOS 5.

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Re: Snow Leopard + iTunes 10.5: Recommended?

Posted by: "Keith Whaley" keith_w@dslextreme.com   keith9600

Fri Oct 14, 2011 11:45 am (PDT)



Jim Saklad wrote:

> > I'm still on Snow Leopard. Any issues/advice before deciding whether
> > to go to iTunes 10.5?

> If you have an iPhone 4, iPhone 3GS, or iPad, you will need iTunes 10.5
> up upgrade to iOS 5.
>
> --
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Jim Saklad mailto:jimdoc@me.com <mailto:jimdoc%40me.com>

I'm afraid I don't see the connection between iTunes and any of the
hand-held OS's (or iOS 5, if you will.)

I have a suspicion that Good ol' Steve arranged that connection,
but...no idea why he thought it might be a necessary step.

In my mind, iTunes plays music. Is that ALL it does? Or is there a lot
of hidden stuff that is essential for working with the iPhones and iPads?

keith whaley

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Re: Snow Leopard + iTunes 10.5: Recommended?

Posted by: "Denver Dan" denver.dan@verizon.net   denverdan22180

Fri Oct 14, 2011 1:06 pm (PDT)



Howdy.

Oh, dear, Keith, where to start??

iTunes does a lot of things.

-Streaming radio.
-RIP your audio CDs onto your hard drive.
-Access to the online Apple iTunes Music Store to buy and download
music, podcasts, movies, TV shows.
-Basic starting point for configuring, backing up, installing &
re-installing an iPod, iPodTouch, iPad, or iPhone.
-iTunes and an iPhone/iPod/iPad are like horse and buggy - they go
together.
-Organizes your music and lets you find music in many ways.
-Sharing music from iTunes with other computers on your network.

iOS 5 system is iCloud aware. Earlier versions of iOS are only
partially iCloud aware.

Denver Dan

On Fri, 14 Oct 2011 11:45:51 -0700, Keith Whaley wrote:
> Jim Saklad wrote:
>
>>> I'm still on Snow Leopard. Any issues/advice before deciding whether
>>> to go to iTunes 10.5?
>
>> If you have an iPhone 4, iPhone 3GS, or iPad, you will need iTunes 10.5
>> up upgrade to iOS 5.
>>
>> --
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> Jim Saklad mailto:jimdoc@me.com <mailto:jimdoc%40me.com>
>
> I'm afraid I don't see the connection between iTunes and any of the
> hand-held OS's (or iOS 5, if you will.)
>
> I have a suspicion that Good ol' Steve arranged that connection,
> but...no idea why he thought it might be a necessary step.
>
> In my mind, iTunes plays music. Is that ALL it does? Or is there a lot
> of hidden stuff that is essential for working with the iPhones and iPads?
>
> keith whaley

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Re: Snow Leopard + iTunes 10.5: Recommended?

Posted by: "Keith Whaley" keith_w@dslextreme.com   keith9600

Fri Oct 14, 2011 3:47 pm (PDT)



Denver Dan wrote:
> Howdy.
>
> Oh, dear, Keith, where to start??

Oh, blame it on Herr Jobs.

> iTunes does a lot of things.
>
> -Streaming radio.

I have several portable radios. Not needed or even wanted.

> -RIP your audio CDs onto your hard drive.

Again, why? I have music on CDs 'and a couple of good players, portable
and otherwise.

> -Access to the online Apple iTunes Music Store to buy and download
> music, podcasts, movies, TV shows.

You can't access movies and TV shows without iTunes?
I mean, I DO have Netflix and a Roku and can get streaming from them.

> -Basic starting point for configuring, backing up, installing &
> re-installing an iPod, iPodTouch, iPad, or iPhone.

Installing/reinstalling where?
Why does an iPad have to be "installed" anywhere? Per se? I thought it
was a stand-alone device.
Obviously, I don't understand the procedure, not having any yet...

> -iTunes and an iPhone/iPod/iPad are like horse and buggy - they go
> together.

I take that deeper, in that you can't use a buggy without a horse. Same
for iTunes? Is iTunes the horse or the buggy?
Seems odd, if all the iP's are buggies, and need an additional motive
force. I don't recall any of that having been mentioned in any of the
introduction literature... Hmmm.

> -Organizes your music and lets you find music in many ways.

Well, while I used to make a minor business out of playing and singing
music back in the day (1954/'58) and really got my fill of being totally
immersed in it. I sort of take a sit back and enjoy it tack these days.

> -Sharing music from iTunes with other computers on your network.

While I have a 2-person network, that has never come up.

> iOS 5 system is iCloud aware. Earlier versions of iOS are only
> partially iCloud aware.

I'm not yet comfortable with iCloud. I'll have to live with it for a while.

> Denver Dan

Still, a lot to ask of an app that by name is a music oriented app.
Perhaps they might call it iKitchenSink.

keith

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iCal on iCloud under Snow Leopard? and Windows solution?

Posted by: "Jurgen Richter" yahoo-1@sympatico.ca   epsongroups

Fri Oct 14, 2011 11:15 am (PDT)



My household is now relying on iCal more so than the ol' printed
calendar on the wall in the kitchen.... and we have several macs and
windows peecee's.
I have a .me / .mac account and have published my calendars to that, and
all the macs here sync their desktops to the published ones on .me.
We're using SnowLeopard on all the macs and are not planning to move to
Lion any time soon, as they are production machines that cannot be down,
nor incompatible with the software we have at the office. They will not
be switching anytime soon either, so we have to stay until they do.
So for now, this works.

We have added a Windows tablet to the mix and would like to access the
iCal calendars on the .me site.
Fortunately I have my apple ID for that before MobileMe new memberships
were stopped.

And finally the questions:
My wife has a separate apple ID but no MobileMe address, so unless she
logs in with my ID, how can she access my published calendars from the
Windows machine? since they don't have an iCal app for Windows users. I
could sync iCal with Google Calendar using the BusyCal app.... BUT can
Google Calendar be trusted? or do they meddle in your stuff and read
everything and archive it on there servers?

Thanks

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3a.

Adobe Flash versus Lion

Posted by: "Bill Morton" billmorton999@gmail.com   redpup99

Fri Oct 14, 2011 12:07 pm (PDT)



I have a new MacBook Pro with LION 10.71. I keep running across websites
that use Adobe Flash.
When I do so, it usually puts up a button to download or upgrade Flash.
When I use that option,
it downloads a Flash Installer. When I then use the flash installer, it
pops up a window that
wants me to read the license, and gives a URL for the license. That URL
shows the license.

So I go scroll through the license, which has no interaction at all--just a
display. When I go
back to the Installer window, the button to Install is greyed out still, and
the only thing you
can do is to cancel, which doesn't complete the install.

Does anyone know how to get around this?

Thanks in advance

Bill

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3b.

Re: Adobe Flash versus Lion

Posted by: "Harry Flaxman" harry.flaxman@comcast.net   hflaxman001

Fri Oct 14, 2011 12:27 pm (PDT)



Whenever I've had to install Flash under any version of the OS, I've gone directly to adobe.com and gotten it there. I would also sometimes break down and go to their labs site and download the beta and try that out.

Not once had to go through what you are describing.

Harry

On Oct 14, 2011, at 3:07 PM, Bill Morton wrote:

> I have a new MacBook Pro with LION 10.71. I keep running across websites
> that use Adobe Flash.
> When I do so, it usually puts up a button to download or upgrade Flash.
> When I use that option,
> it downloads a Flash Installer. When I then use the flash installer, it
> pops up a window that
> wants me to read the license, and gives a URL for the license. That URL
> shows the license.
>
> So I go scroll through the license, which has no interaction at all--just a
> display. When I go
> back to the Installer window, the button to Install is greyed out still, and
> the only thing you
> can do is to cancel, which doesn't complete the install.
>
> Does anyone know how to get around this?
>
> Thanks in advance

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3c.

Re: Adobe Flash versus Lion

Posted by: "Denver Dan" denver.dan@verizon.net   denverdan22180

Fri Oct 14, 2011 12:55 pm (PDT)



Howdy.

Bill, I would not currently respond to any web site's efforts to get
you to download a Flash installer.

We've had quite a few posts here about a current fake Flash Trojan
installer thing that could infect your system with a Trojan Horse. You
can search for this info here or on Yahoo or Google. It's fairly easy
to ID and remove this Trojan, if you do happen it get it.

I would navigate directly to the Adobe web site and download Flash
updaters directly from the source. Much safer at this point in time.

<http://www.adobe.com/>

There is a link on the home page for downloading Adobe's Flash Player.

Denver Dan

On Fri, 14 Oct 2011 12:07:00 -0700, Bill Morton wrote:
> I have a new MacBook Pro with LION 10.71. I keep running across websites
> that use Adobe Flash.
> When I do so, it usually puts up a button to download or upgrade Flash.
> When I use that option,
> it downloads a Flash Installer. When I then use the flash installer, it
> pops up a window that
> wants me to read the license, and gives a URL for the license. That URL
> shows the license.
>
> So I go scroll through the license, which has no interaction at all--just a
> display. When I go
> back to the Installer window, the button to Install is greyed out still, and
> the only thing you
> can do is to cancel, which doesn't complete the install.
>
> Does anyone know how to get around this?
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> Bill

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3d.

Re: Adobe Flash versus Lion

Posted by: "C Melsbakas" cmelsbakas@yahoo.com   cmelsbakas

Fri Oct 14, 2011 9:33 pm (PDT)





________________________________
From: Denver Dan <denver.dan@verizon.net>
To: macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 3:55 PM
Subject: Re: [macsupport] Adobe Flash versus Lion

 
Howdy.

Bill, I would not currently respond to any web site's efforts to get
you to download a Flash installer.

We've had quite a few posts here about a current fake Flash Trojan
installer thing that could infect your system with a Trojan Horse. You
can search for this info here or on Yahoo or Google. It's fairly easy
to ID and remove this Trojan, if you do happen it get it.

I would navigate directly to the Adobe web site and download Flash
updaters directly from the source. Much safer at this point in time.

<http://www.adobe.com/>

There is a link on the home page for downloading Adobe's Flash Player.

Denver Dan

On Fri, 14 Oct 2011 12:07:00 -0700, Bill Morton wrote:
> I have a new MacBook Pro with LION 10.71. I keep running across websites
> that use Adobe Flash.
> When I do so, it usually puts up a button to download or upgrade Flash.
> When I use that option,
> it downloads a Flash Installer. When I then use the flash installer, it
> pops up a window that
> wants me to read the license, and gives a URL for the license. That URL
> shows the license.
>
> So I go scroll through the license, which has no interaction at all--just a
> display. When I go
> back to the Installer window, the button to Install is greyed out still, and
> the only thing you
> can do is to cancel, which doesn't complete the install.
>
> Does anyone know how to get around this?
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> Bill

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4a.

Re: Copying networked files

Posted by: "DaveC" davec2468@yahoo.com   davec2468

Fri Oct 14, 2011 12:17 pm (PDT)



>Bottom line, you can't drag and drop a "Shared Folder" as you have
>discovered, but you can drag and drop the contents. This will work
>fine. When I back up shared folders this way, I create a target
>folder, then "select all" (Cmd-A) on the source and drag to the new
>target folder. I really don't want the copy to have exactly the
>same name anyway.

Thanks, Tod. I'll do it this way.

>Better yet, use backup software, like Carbon Copy Cloner, to automate this.

It's a one-time procedure. Once I get the new Time Capsule it will
take care of all backups.

Cheers,
Dave

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5a.

Re: Technical grammar (was:Another HD Deal)

Posted by: "Otto Nikolaus" otto.nikolaus@googlemail.com   nikyzf

Fri Oct 14, 2011 4:54 pm (PDT)



On 14 October 2011 06:09, Jim Saklad <jimdoc@me.com> wrote:

>
> Oh?
> I thought it was "three letter abbreviation".
> Which it is.
>
> Wikipedia says:
> > A three-letter acronym, three-letter abbreviation, or TLA is an
> abbreviation, specifically an acronym, alphabetism, or initialism,
> consisting of three letters. These are usually the initial letters of the
> words of the phrase abbreviated, and are written in capital letters (upper
> case); three-letter abbreviations such as etc. and Mrs. are not three-letter
> acronyms.
>

That's been my belief for many years too.

Of course "TLA" is itself a TLA.;)

(Mind you, "T" could just as easily stand for "two".)

Otto

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5b.

Re: Technical grammar (was:Another HD Deal)

Posted by: "Barry Austern" barryaus@fuse.net   barryaus

Fri Oct 14, 2011 5:11 pm (PDT)



At 12:53 AM +0100 10/15/11, Otto Nikolaus wrote:

>
>
>On 14 October 2011 06:09, Jim Saklad
><<mailto:jimdoc%40me.com>jimdoc@me.com> wrote:
>
>That's been my belief for many years too.
>
>Of course "TLA" is itself a TLA.;)
>
>(Mind you, "T" could just as easily stand for "two".)

Or ten, or twelve, or thirteen, or twenty, or 26,742, etc :-)

--
Barry Austern
barryaus@fuse.net

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6a.

iOS 5 update

Posted by: "Darrell McDonald" fussyoldfart@gmail.com   fussyoldfart

Fri Oct 14, 2011 5:50 pm (PDT)



I hope some of us are up to speed on iPads 'cause I have a really stupid sounding problem.

I updated my iPad2 to iOS 5 this afternoon and now the ____ thing is entirely converted to a language I don't understand. Don't know if it's Russian or Polish but lots of words ending in ski. I'd like to use the "nuclear fix" and just blast it back to the default settings but now I can't even recognize what it says on the settings screen. It also looks like I have lost some of the stuff I installed but I may be at fault for misunderstanding the instructions. Those instructions, by the way, were on my Mac not on the iPad where I expected them.

Natter natter grumble grumble ...

Darrell McDonald

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6b.

Re: iOS 5 update

Posted by: "Doug Yelmen" dougyelmen@earthlink.net   dougyelmen

Fri Oct 14, 2011 6:54 pm (PDT)



i don't know if this will help at all, but i had to redo the "" my mind fails me as to the proper word, suffice to say, i unplugged it,
and redid it several times. in my case, all my music, videos did not show up. it appears that re-synching, that's the word,
is necessary after a firmware update.
this site helped me. hope it helps you too.

http://www.everythingicafe.com/forum/threads/where-is-my-music-on-my-iphone-4.71157/

doug
On Oct 14, 2011, at 5:49 PM, Darrell McDonald wrote:

> I hope some of us are up to speed on iPads 'cause I have a really stupid sounding problem.
>
> I updated my iPad2 to iOS 5 this afternoon and now the ____ thing is entirely converted to a language I don't understand. Don't know if it's Russian or Polish but lots of words ending in ski. I'd like to use the "nuclear fix" and just blast it back to the default settings but now I can't even recognize what it says on the settings screen. It also looks like I have lost some of the stuff I installed but I may be at fault for misunderstanding the instructions. Those instructions, by the way, were on my Mac not on the iPad where I expected them.
>
> Natter natter grumble grumble ...
>
> Darrell McDonald
>
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7a.

Re: iPad app downloads

Posted by: "Denver Dan" denver.dan@verizon.net   denverdan22180

Fri Oct 14, 2011 6:01 pm (PDT)



Howdy.

Magnet in a folding case/cover? I don't think that has anything to do
with shutting off the iPad.

Your iPad will go to sleep automatically after not being used for a
period of time. This interval is adjustable in Settings.

Download speed depends on many factors. Are you downloading an app via
cell signal? Are you downloading an app via WiFi? Two different
connection technologies and two different speeds.

In my own house, I have a fairly fast Internet connection. If I
download an app via WiFi to my iPhone 4 the time is usually something
like 20 seconds from start to finish. But the past few days it's been
perhaps 30 seconds as a typical download time.

What is your Internet download speed? That will impact the speed that
you download an app via WiFi in your house. What is the speed of your
WiFi network? 802.11b (slowest), 802.11g (middle fast), 802.11n
(fastest)? Check your WiFi router tech specs for this info or the
config page for it.

When the iPad is connected to your Mac look at the iTunes program and
click the iPad source item. Then start learning to use the various
items listed at the right for the iPad. All kinds of options for what
is synced. For example, have you created a playlist in iTunes and
synced the songs in that playlist? You can control what apps are
installed. If you then disconnect from the Mac, you can download an
app and the next time you connect to the Mac/iTunes that app should be
backed up via iTunes. Take a look at the tabs for the iPad (when
connected) and figure out what it all does. A little experimentation
is good!

In recent days, downloads have been slowed due to the introduction of
both the new iPhone 4S AND the new iCloud service. In order to use
iCloud people need to upgrade their Mac OS X systems, iTunes, and
iPhoto, and upgrade the iOS system on iPod/iPad/iPhone to iOS 5.

You can upgrade your iPad to iOS 5 via iTunes when the iPad is
connected to your Mac.

Good luck and have fun with the iPad.

Denver Dan

On Thu, 13 Oct 2011 17:30:11 -0700 (PDT), Jann Grimes wrote:
> We are new to the iPad and don't know how things are done. I wonder
> if someone could explain how downloading apps works? It seems to take
> so long to add any apps to our iPad. I had thought downloading them
> to the computer and syncing would make it happen faster. But that
> does not seem to work either. It appears the computer downloads it
> and at the same time the iPad begins downloading it. If it is going
> to both things at the same time what is the point of syncing?
>
> When we are at home using the home network do the downloads continue,
> even if it is shut off? By shut off I mean shut down via the magnet
> in the folding case/cover we have for it. Between trying new things
> and all the upgrades that are constantly coming in it seems like it
> all takes forever. I usually play with it to keep it open when things
> are downloading but wonder if that is necessary?
>
> Thank you for your time and help.
>
> Jann

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8a.

Re: : Box gives iOS users 50GB of free space to counter iCloud

Posted by: "Daly Jessup" jessup@san.rr.com

Fri Oct 14, 2011 6:10 pm (PDT)



On Oct 13, 2011, at 6:40 PM, Tim O'Donoghue wrote:
>> � and the competition begins.
>>
>> http://feeds.macnn.com/click.phdo?i=7b1a9daf0b6348af76421ef5dd66c268

That looks very interesting, but the "Enter" button on their web site doesn't take me anywhere. I've tried it in Safari and in Chrome. I like the graphic, but the site doesn't go anywhere for me. Maybe they are overwhelmed with people about to lose iDisk?

Daly
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9.

Waking networked computers

Posted by: "DaveC" davec2468@yahoo.com   davec2468

Fri Oct 14, 2011 9:37 pm (PDT)



I want to be able to mount drives of other Macs (all using Snow
Leopard) on the LAN, even when they're asleep.

On the Macs "of interest" I have checked "Wake for Ethernet Network
Access" in System Preferences > Energy Saver.

How do I wake these Macs when they're sleeping. They don't show up in
the Side Bar in Finder windows, nor in the Cmd-K (Connect Network
Server) window.

Thanks,
Dave

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10.

Strange Account Behavior--thinking of moving to a new clean account

Posted by: "Harry Flaxman" harry.flaxman@comcast.net   hflaxman001

Fri Oct 14, 2011 10:03 pm (PDT)



Hey all.

Usually don't post problems, or can usually resolve them, but this one's got me going. I've been having some strange stuff going on with an account that has been migrated from machine to machine for the past 4 or 5 years. Never migrated from my old PowerMac G5, but from all of my iMacs I have.

Today, all of my 'scratch' stuff, usually kept on the desktop, just disappeared. Nowhere to be found. I checked trash, repaired permissions, logged out and in. Nothing. Now, this is not the first time this has happened. That makes it strange.

I tried to use FaceTime with my son out in the midwest, and there was no sound from me to him. I fiddled with in/out controls in preferences. When I used another 'clean' account, there were no problems.

An issue I've been having at times is loss of the IR remote in all apps, until I log out and in, or restart.

File listings in Finder (column view), have been really slow for no reason.

I've taken pretty good care of the account, repairing permissions when needed, dumping caches and cleaning up with Onyx, usually. Checked the drive for problems after booting to my clone. Usually nothing out of the ordinary. Checked .plist files. The 'whole 9 yards'.

I'm thinking of moving to a 'clean' account and not migrating, but just moving data, and re-registering apps that don't start properly from the new account.

Now that iCloud is active, it shouldn't be a big deal, at least that's what I'm thinking.

Any opinions or advice on this would be appreciated!

TIA

Harry

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11.

"Item already exists"

Posted by: "DaveC" davec2468@yahoo.com   davec2468

Fri Oct 14, 2011 10:44 pm (PDT)



Copying files between computers over the LAN.

The copying starts out promising but then I get a few "don't have
permission" errors (not sure why this is as I logged in as the sole
user), and after a few minutes I get the error "The operation can't
be completed because the item with the name "[filename]" already
exists."

The problem is that I'm copying files to an empty folder so there are
no existing files.

What am I doing wrong?

Thanks,
Dave

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